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General Banter / Re: It's not my ride.
« on: August 15, 2018, 08:55:45 PM »
Just for clarity I did edit my post a wee bit............language removed and clarity of a couple scattered ramblings and a funnny follow up story at the end............

General Banter / Re: It's not my ride.
« on: August 13, 2018, 11:14:05 PM »
hey, I went on this ride too....

yeah that volunteer to lead all these rides, I heard he is really slow in WI too......better not follow him anymore.... But damn he sure picks the best roads. I always end up in his group somehow- usually right there at the front,  with plenty of followers...... funny how that happens!

 I remember seeing that other group(you know the group that was going to not go the scenic way, just get tothe  Nelson route sheet start) pull in to our 2nd fuel stop and thinking .........  wow they got there (Rockton BBQ), ate and are already this far back.... Man I knew we were going slow and all those "extra" miles but this is ridiculous... only to find out they were behind us, boy they must have had some issue somewhere.. nope no issues- they sat around shooting the shit waiting on my group to show up to a place I never intended to go and would have had to of backtracked atleast 10 miles to get there......  and even had sent a text saying so from the first fuel stop......... but the reply (from leader of group 2) came much after I was back on the road, so I did not even know there was a reply til that other group leader told me so, then I turn on my phone.... yup 4 text messages from him blast in.... I was needed in Arcadia apparently

oh well .......... WE ALL GET ON THE ROAD AGAIN (that damn "slow" leader leading the way with everyone in tow)
so the route sheet looks like 55 miles to Rockton still, so off we go (apparently leader of Group A didn't have the same route sheet as leader of group B, so there was some discrepencies back in the followers ranks when the group was headed a direction they did not understand....
 So yep, I was following that route sheet to a T since picking up the route at the T/D intersection south of Arcadia
So traveling along and the designated road simply ends- now it has another name and two choices to go- I pause at the stop and a bike come zipping on by half way through the intersection with a few choice words for me. or maybe he was coming up to thank me for leading?
Yep- well I am just following the route sheet, not sure if we go left or straight the name changed??? much got lost in the translation and it was HOT, so damn hot and humid the sweat was in my eyes and I can hardly see, and hearing is out of the question at this point...... you know- new ear plugs and all, got to protect that hearing too, oh wait no rocket girl, I could have ridden without ear plugs this day........................... got to get moving again and have some wind evaporate that sweat away so I can see again......... you know Visual skills and safety....... Have to have that safety!!!

 I was thinking to myself how good everyone has been all day thus far with their following distances, well mostly anyways..... whew- what a relief they are finally listening!

 So supposedly another 1.8 miles I am supposed to find this road to turn on and head over to the covetted P
1.5 miles better slow down, don't want to pass it, 2.0 miles- man there is nothing in sight resembling any roads, 4 miles- Screw this, wick it up and lets find something/anything...... I am starving by now and still too hot---you know we were going too damn slow to cool off

So we come to another "T" We all pull over, someone pulls out a paper map- someone else a phone and someone makes a decision we are to go ^that way and points, then we will meet xyz and turn left and that takes us right there........

 So I jump on the bike and go ^ that way (the way I was told), planning on then turning left on xyz and it will take us right into LaFarge......... slowly at first trying to have everyone catch up, first one bike, a mile later another, a couple miles later I occassionally see more headlights......... Screw this- too damn hot to go this slow, wick it up and lets get that wind tunnel blowing through these leathers......(perhaps it was how windy the road was and the followers were actually using good judgement in their
 So, I do not know maybe 10 miles later we come to some totally different road than what they said we would come to...... I pull into town and pull into the kwik know about 50 miles from where we are supposed to be by now and people (probably not everyone)  agrees Rockton BBQ is just grilled chicken with some sauce, it isn't really BBQ at all and not worth the effort to get there at this point........ food anywhere is as good or better

 We start to discuss further lunch options.... I walk across the street to the ice cream shop under the guise of seeing if they serve food too.... nope but they were nicely air-conditioned inside and that mint bon bon cone sure felt good going down....
okay so I walk back across the hiway......looked both ways and didn't make the traffic stop you know......NOT...too damn hot out, pedestrians have the right of way this day
 Ice cream guy told me the bar 2 blocks down was really good, off we go.......apparently the last one there was supposed to buy for everyone.... twasn't me......
I wonder who was as they did not pay for everyone, and some reimbursement is order .... damn vamboozled again...

So yep- several decided to run straight up 35....OMG I would not do that from south of LaCrosse even if you paid me! Hell I was unwilling to do that to even get to Nelson... NOWAY NOHOW am I doing that

 We are getting ready to depart Vince is over there wringing his hands over the condition of his tire.... I had to take a peak at it,,,,,,,oh that is bad, real bad
25 miles in to heading to P and I am thinking no way no how can he make the 57 mile round trip down and back on P, hell he probably can't even get to home most likely.... off north we go, picking the route sheet back up and following that past Arcadia, then off course again (you know how I like my deviations to better roads!!!)
Losing riders like Vince says, dropping off like flies....... really we likely were not far behind either even with our extra miles

But as we pull up north on 35 to 63 intersection...........county sherriff is racing us to that stop sign- I hit my brakes even harder and let him win, but just by .08 seconds...... he wins, so I wave him on by- he heads off east while we head off north......

 Up ahead several hundred yards is a white diesel truck, he is going pretty good because we are barely catching him (Vince tire conservation mode and all)  but he keeps dipping two wheels into the gravel and we have to keep riding through his dust cloud, then it is all de-regulated and rolling coal several times- like everytime he touched the throttle
 So about 15 miles later we are right on him, time to go........ I can see the passing lane and all clear- hit it, truck jumps to the throttle too, too slow sucker. We are going by....
 Oh damn it, that is a squad SUV right there in the dip in the road, well too late now, already going well above the speed limit and ahead of the truck just a touch..... have to complete the pass and roll back in line, leaving room for Dave and Vince......... then rolling off the gas
Damn he has his lights on already and that damn diesel truck must have fantastic brakes, he is stopped before he even reached the squad.... I see him whip the U turn and I am already sub 20 and on the shoulder, Dave right behind me and that white car (yes we were going to do a twofer) is stopping ahead of me............. As I put down my sidestand Vince goes rolling by ahead of the car WTF.....
I see the hood of the SUV stop next to me but then he peels out and takes off before I even turn my head, whew dodged a bullet thanks Vince you can eat this one.........

 So from our vantage point we cannot see what is going on ahead of the SUV but did suddenly see Vince bee-lining it down the hill into the woods.....
 I look at Dave and am like WTF.... ,maybe we should just go------ Dave is like......"no he said for us to wait here, was that Vince?"............ replied- yep
Then we are both in the WTF stage..........

Sherriff Suv whips another u turn shooting gravel all over and rolls up slowly powering down the window, I am thinking/hoping he is just going to send us on our way...... NOPE
Pull up there behind your buddy and stop...... ugh- this can't be good.. WTH did Vince say and why isn't this guy chasing him down into the woods..... (Did he throw us under the bus?)

 He comes out and asks if we knew what the speed limit is,,,,,,, someDAVEone plays dumb- no......... I am just like yes, it is 55
Officer is like, and how fast were you going?
me, no idea but we were passing that truck when you got us, he was throwing rocks and blowing smoke all over us
"blowing smoke?" the officer looks puzzled
Yeah, rolling coal, when they deregulate a diesel and everytime you touch the throttle black stinky smoke comes belching out the pipe

the officer smiles, yep I wouldn't like that either nor like having to dodge rocks
Nope, I exclaim, I just needed to get by and move on for safety
"well you cannot go that fast on this road" (It started with a 7 since some of you are dying to know) the speed limit is 55
Yes, well I am not going to linger out in the oncoming traffic lane and being behind him was unsafe so we had to pass, so as soon as we got to the passing lane and it was clear I did

about then Vince finally returns from his 10th time peeing today..... damn maybe you have a bladder infection or something, or maybe you are just too old..... (funny follow up to this later)

 So we are standing around waiting on our ID's to be returned and officer two shows up "back up"............. you remember that officer I waved on by at 63/35 and let him WIN the stopping race..........damn good that I was so nice, he didn't change officer #1's mind on letting us go............ See niceness occassionally does pay off.
 We get back our info and I am set to go, damn, parked too close up under Vinces bike and he is slow to get a move on....... can't sit here all day, we got to go.....
 Vince finally pulls away, I thought he ran out of fuel he was going so slow
So I did the courteous thing and blasted on by and blazed a path into Prescott guaranteeing them free reign to ride as wanted (which apparently was about 40mph judging by how far back they were.... that tire must be worse than I thought)
I make it across just before the bridge goes up because........... yep- Vince pulls into freedom to pee yet again, seriously dude, get that checked (keep staying tuned in for that funny follow up on this)

 They get stranded in Prescott for this tiny little boat long enough for me to get to the gas station near home, fill up and get the bike parked at home just in time to receive his text with  a pic of the tiny boat they opened the bridge for...... lol

And that is my story and I am sticking to it............. lol (revised slightly for language and a little more clarity)

Vince now has a Pirelli Rosso Corsa in 200 size that has 6/32" tread depth..........lets see if he can make more than 2 rides with this one before it too is toasted and can be sold to some wannabe racer as a slick..........
  edited for language and clarity-- I guess I was a ltitle scattered with a few points and a certain someone mentioned the language...... ruhroh

So the follow up funny story.............
 Vince did go to the doctor the next moring and has a kidney stone------- Hopefully next ride he does not need as many potty breaks........

There now we are complete..........

Safety and Riding Tips / Re: making small talk
« on: August 13, 2018, 06:05:01 PM »
Well I gave Vince an "only" ......  half used up Rosso Corsa today, he might be able to make 3 rides with that tire........... lol

Got to wear out that front before putting on any of the brand new sets laying around the garage ;) or some such bullshit

At this rate he will be in the same boat I just went through.......... installing brand new "old" tires......

Safety and Riding Tips / Re: making small talk
« on: August 13, 2018, 09:40:28 AM »
Tire management

I think the leaders pace (since the leader slowed down, kept to the edges of the tire on twisty roads at steady speed and kept you in check) and of course cutting some miles off helped more than anything.......... but that there sets a bad example

prime example of how far not to ride your tire!

Safety and Riding Tips / Re: making small talk
« on: August 12, 2018, 08:19:41 PM »
So just a quick follow up.........  someoneVINCEwho shall remain annonymous, showed up today with a tire already ready for the recycler......... but he mustered another 490 miles out it............
Smooth edge to edge but no cords..... ugh

Introductions / Re: Warming Up...
« on: August 11, 2018, 11:55:30 PM »
Also one of Lloyd's customers and has joined a couple rides now........

Also has dispensed of the FZ6R

See you in the AM in Prescott

Safety and Riding Tips / Re: making small talk
« on: August 11, 2018, 11:46:51 PM »
Attachments too large, really.....

okay, so you get the most aggregious picture anyways..........

Who in their right mind would ride a 1000 pound behemoth on bald as shit tires..........!!!

Safety and Riding Tips / making small talk
« on: August 11, 2018, 11:45:28 PM »
gee I made the mistake of actually looking at my service records over the past ~65,000 miles.......... specifically looking at Tire mileage and useage... (since new tires etc were done in prep for this weekend riding and I had the log book open)

~Sportbike tires do not last very long~

~So 45 brand new tires, and then a few of them came off and went back on later (track use etc but only counted as 1 tire)
 6 of those were tires burned up doing trackday events. (usually, tires used on track also saw 1100-1400 street miles afterwards on the Q3's...)The GPA's set, an S20evo set and the 003R's set never saw anything but track (each lasting sub 650 miles) and then a set of  S20's (non evo) I rode at VIR for CSS and then in the east coast mountains for 1000 miles combined (400ish VIR, 600ish in the mountains) only managed 479 miles once returned, 1 ride into WI .... 1479 miles total)

~2 rear tires made less than 1300 miles each in AR ( Conti Force Max and Dunlop D208GPA)

******the longest any rear tire managed -- 4,428 miles (Metzeler M3)---if we do not count the Roadtec 01 sport touring model---

the shortest any that did not see track use--- 1188 miles, but that was riding AR on a DOT "race tire"

2 rear tires were pulled early due to nails in them and tossed. 859 mile M7RR and 348 mile PP2ct

~The average life of a rear tire strictly ridden in WI seems to be around  3,159 miles (again slower speeds and being on its side more helped longevity)
 ~The average for rear tires that saw extensive MN riding and some WI riding 2,803 miles

fronts did not fair much better....

*******longest any front was left on-------- 4,747 miles (Dunlop Q3) again we are not including the outlyer sport touring Roadtec 01 that had a clear advantage

the shortest of those never seeing track duty--- 1188 miles in AR, again a DOT "race tire" ---

 The average of the fronts (since some I did change seperately) that solely saw WI seems to be  3940 miles (being on the side and slower speeds helps life)
never did I ride a front predominatley in MN and keep it on when changing the rear......So 2803 miles when mostly in MN

longest life
Roadtec 01..........averaged  7108 (1 lone set, and I actually enjoyed them very much the same as all the sport tires)
M3........................averaged  3770 (4 sets on street- 1 set did see 118 miles dctc)
Q3.........................averaged 3608 (3 sets on street-did not count any track mile tires)
S21.......................averaged 3540 (only ran the 1 set)
PP.........................averaged 3326 (2 sets on street)
M5........................averaged 2985 (3 sets on street, 1 did see 129 miles DCTC)
S20.......................averaged 2756 (2 sets on street)
Q3+...................... averaged 2667 miles
S20evo.................averaged 2420 (only 1 set on street)

I guess I may as well go back to the beginning and see the other 24 tires burned up and really see how they averaged......
be some new contenders in that list;
-Dunlop Roadsmart  (1300 miles and off, hated them, way too hard and stiff on a 400 lb sportbike)
-Dunlop Roadsmart II (2080 miles and off- actually cupping front and did not like them much-thought they were too hard and stiff for a 400lb sportbike, but they were marginally better than RS)
-PP2ct (2910 miles out of 1 set and 3040 out of the 2nd)
-Conti sport attack (2873 miles)
-Conti sport attack/road attack rear combo (3378 miles)
-Dunlop Q2 (4591 miles and 4673 miles.... way more than the Q3 which is also much better mileage than the Q3+)
-also a few more sets of M3 were run throughout.... with some going 4900 miles and others only 3800 miles.... If I look all M3 sets over the life of the bike, they have averaged 4064 miles per set.... " winner "of the sportbike tire longevity war but those Q2's beat them for life, although they were not around long and I only used 2 sets of them
-Michelin power pure......... sub 2000 miles
-oe original D207 managed 4700 miles even with a few dyno sessions

Obviously the M3 was my go to tire and I did notice when the 120/65 was used my comments were better to how it felt/reacted and lived.... but then again about the time I went Ak20's/penske shock I also went 120/70 from then on and made chassis adjustments to suit the tire size....

Here is to the next ~95,000 miles of riding.............
may I burn through another ~70 tires and enjoy every mile..........

 Skew the average down with more track time or skew it up with more Roadtec 01's/sport touring tires
The RSIII is on my short list but given the way I hated the RS and RSII thus far I just haven't taken the leap to go for them....(although I have dozens of happy customers on them.....I am also using AS as a guinea pig for testing them on a 400 lb sportbike, so far so good)

besides with so many new sport tires coming out all the time and I need to test them, I do ride a sportbike afterall.... Hard to jump on testing tires not really designed for my bike or my intended use (just these Sunday rides of fun tire shredding enjoyment)

So what does this have to do with "Safety" and "Riding Tips".......
Well the tires are your lifeline to everything the motorcycle does, it is your connection to the road so make sure you take care of them!

besides air pressure, balance and making sure they are not too old (production date is 4 digits 2318 is 23rd week of 2018) and have plenty of good tread (buy a tread depth guage and actually measure above the wear bars!!!)..........

 Well that is the safety and riding lecture.......... the rest is just fluff to spark some conversation on the forum

Do not be one of these guys like the depicted pictures.......senseless stupidity in spades to ride any of these tires!
Victory with a completely bald front tire
600cc sportbike with cords showing
old 70's honda with tires circa 1980's and well weather cracked

all ridden in this way......ugh

General Banter / Re: Women kick ass in Imola WSSP300!
« on: May 14, 2018, 01:47:34 PM »
 Another spaniard doing well......

Not really a big surprise

General Banter / Re: Happy Equinox!!
« on: April 13, 2018, 11:10:49 AM »
Good to see some sense of humor still remains......

General Banter / Re: Happy Equinox!!
« on: April 12, 2018, 11:57:23 AM »
It is now April 12th..............

Where is this spring you elude to?

4-6 inches of snow this weekend projected with highs back sub 30 degrees both days again.....

Looks like we will not see 50* for about 9 more days...........

General Banter / Re: So close, yet ...
« on: March 11, 2018, 10:20:52 AM »
Better tires

Better rear shock absorber

problem solved!

General Banter / Re: Christmas
« on: December 24, 2017, 06:13:18 PM »
Merry Christmas

General Banter / Re: Favorite roads
« on: November 14, 2017, 12:50:43 PM »
So, we have a couple AR roads and a MO road, complete with good descriptions and a map!

I do not have any fancy map to attach but;

I will add a CA road to the mix...........

I was very fond of rural hwy 155 in southern CA from Lake Isabella up through Black Mountain and then down westerly all the way back to Bakersfield glennville? road heading mostly southwesterly to Round Mountain road then some mix of turns to get back onto the freeway 958?) back to barstow

But 155 was the star of the route and this too was a road you make any mistake on and they won't find you probably ever. It is riddled with areas of hundreds of foot drops and rock protrusions taking up all the shoulder and part of the lane (narrowing the already narrow pass down to less than 20' wide in areas)

great road, constantly turning and nearly no place to stretch past about 50mph with any confidence..... elevation changes of thousands of feet several times.......

General Banter / Re: Sport touring tire suggestions?
« on: June 13, 2016, 07:28:39 AM »
I have not seen any difference between the two. Mileage, feel, traction etc.... but supposedly the evo is touted as a better rain tire (by Bridgestone)

However that cannot be said for the S20, the evo version of that just plain sucks donkey dick in every way

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