If you just take the pertinent posts from existing threads and compile them into sub categories.....or---you may have to severely edit new threads to just "cut to the point"---of course then you may as well just type what you think and damn anyone elses opinion, because essentially all you are doing is, posting the information you want conveyed.

I don't see how a thread started about anything safety won't have posts in it muddled with information that some are going to take offense to-and typically you need good clear cut examples to actually make the point properly...examples many can actually relate to-whether it is someone they ride with regularly so they know what the pace is, or video that actually shows speed etc in an environment everyone has been to. (ie...some road we frequently travel)---

Everyone is going to have their own idea on pretty much any topic, and there are always going to be people that refuse to see points the same way. If you edit posts or threads or "lock down" then you essentially aren't letting everyone have an equal voice, so again you may as well just post up what you want and damn anyone elses ideals or opinions.

This may actually work lots better-have a sub forum "safety" or whatever name you want to have it.
Then each individual can start their own thread and voice their own viewpoints. Of course some will comment in-but if you have them locked, likely there will be lots of individual threads commenting on other threads. Perhaps after some trial and error it would get better, perhaps it would just go the way all the threads go?

I don't think there is a right answer---or an easy one---or one that everyone will agree with (just like everything else in life) So you may as well just put up the sub forum and see what happens?

It is a 4" wide rear rim--back in the day racers ran 160's on that wide of rim....(perhaps the SV's rim is the same width?) So I do not think any 140 will be an issue, or even a 150 if she ends up trying that PP.

Of course she does have to make sure to get the tubeless Pirelli, as they also offer that same tire as a tube type!--but it seems likely I will be getting them for her, so that won't be an issue.

Tires are totally personal preference, everyone rides a little different and on different roads, different bikes.....

You have a couple choices to try, You likely are not going to wear them out like Me or Vince does where we could "try" 3 or 4 different tires in a season then settle in on what we really like and stick with that for the rest of the bikes life....

 I guess if were me, I would start with the Metzeler or Pirelli (but of course I am Metzeler biased)--likely the Pirelli since it actually is in the exact same size, so turn in etc will be relatively similar (barring huge profile differences)--but I think the bigger rear of the Pilot Power wouldn't be a big hinderence, but it will slow your acceleration some (as it no doubt will weigh more) yet it wouldn't be a bad choice either.

Pick one (I can get any of them, shameless plug)-none of them will be worse than the OE tires.....The Metzlers probably offer the best all around tire, and certainly the best rain/cold weather tire
The Michelin probably offers the best overall dry hot traction (if you could actually use it or not is unknown...it is pretty hard to over ride any decent tire, and all of these are pretty decent) but likely gives you the least wet traction (while still not terrible) the size thing and extra recipricating mass could be an issue, but perhaps not? One wouldn't really know until you actually try it.

140/70-----the 70 indicates that the sidewall is 70% of the width of the tire (140mm)
so 70% of 140mm is 98mm
140/80-----80% of 140mm is 112mm (about 1/2 inch)--so ride height, seat height etc will all go up by approx 1/2"

Now keep in mind not all tires are created equal----some 140's will be as small as say 134mm while others could be as large as 142mm
 also some will have steeper profiles while others are relatively flat or round
"V" shaped tires turn in real easy whereas the real "flat" profile tires are much harder to turn in

So are you more confused yet...lol

Pick the Pirelli's to start-see what you think. at 5600 miles in 3 months you will wear them out before the season is over then try something else----you can't make a good educated descision without actually trying them all out for yourself and finding what you feel the most comfortable with....Mind you as you get better and can understand better what your bike is telling you-you may change your mind on tire selection, there is a learning process.

A "b" class rider will do fine on any track on Dunlop Q2's, whereas an "a" class rider would over heat them in just several laps......(just an example)

Just remember you are primarily going after a "good" street tire that can handle some track use......


GUYS IT DOES NO GOOD TO MENTION TIRES SHE CANNOT GET FOR HER BIKE !!!

I think where these discussions always tend to go sideways is when it becomes street OR track, it's quite possible to do both regularly, enjoyably, and relatively safely. I think they both have merit.

My $.02 on crossover skills from closed course riding: (not meant as an argument or personal attack against anyone!)

DCTC, especially at the lower levels (when people aren’t concerned with going “fast”), is a fantastic way to work on the basics like Body Position, Lines, being smooth with throttle and brake inputs, slowly increasing your comfort level with corner speeds and increased lean angle all in a controlled environment (no gravel, oncoming traffic, etc) that all (minus perhaps the lines) translate well to spirited street riding.

Trackdays (at an actual racetrack) begin to introduce skills and riding habits that don’t necessarily translate directly to safe street riding. HARD braking, trail braking, race lines linking multiple corners, riding in close proximity with other riders, high speeds, getting strong drives out of corners, setting up passes, passing through corners, etc.

Where there is some crossover value to street riding from trackdays though is exploring the upper limits  of modern sport bikes in a controlled environment (to a level that would be extremely dangerous on the street), that will allow you to greatly increase your comfort zone of skill and trust in the equipment (tires,bike, suspension, etc) which means when you are faced with a situation that forces you out of where  you want to be on the street you are prepared to deal with it because you have a HUGE cushion left when you are riding at a typical street pace.

Trackdays of any sort do no equate to a huge cushion on the street as you claim-on the contrary what I see all the time is people who do trackdays routinely somehow equate to thinking suddenly they are fricking an expert and that the fact they can go "fast" on a closed course racetrack that somehow now they have these awesome skills that they have all this room in reserve on the street (or as you put it "huge cushion"). It is a bunch of bullshit and anyone who has been around long enough knows it.

So in the mood of not being a personal attack.........
Not to pick you out-but it is an easy example and you provide almost all the evidence yourself.......
Are you claiming you had some "huge cushion" following Roger in Arkansas when you rode right off the road? Why didn't all your vast skills of the trackdays save you from such a "novice" mistake?
 You clearly fit squarely into the typical stereotype of people that do trackdays-you think you are "fast" and therefore you think that means you are "good".
 Without making this personal, this is strictly for comparison---I ran Barber on a 250 Ninja years ago and ran 11 seconds a lap faster than your fastest lap and you were on a bike that makes 5 times the horsepower.-----You are not fast, despite your bragging of being fast.

Yes there are examples of people who can do trackdays and take something away from them that is beneficial to street riding.
Yes there are examples of people who successfully ride street and track (without riding like an idiot on the street)
Yes it is possible to do both--but the vast majority are adrenaline junkies that can't discern the difference between street smarts and track "fast"

Nowhere do I say it has to be street or track.....I have done plenty of both.

But the vast majority of trackday junkies that I know (likely in the 90%+ range of them). Cannot or will not ride on the street in a manner that isn't mimicking "track riding"--ie. wrong lines for the street, following too close, knee down, using oncoming traffic lanes, hard braking and hard acceleration, riding at or near their limit etc........And to me that certainly isn't "safe" or "controlled" riding-it is them trying to prove they are "fast"

****** here is the edit part, I left the original post stand for clarification *****

My intent with bringing up the incident in Arkansas where Ben ran off the road was merely to question where he comes up with his thought that track riders have "HUGE cushion". Knowing that Ben fancies himself quite the trackday person- it would have stood to reason he would have such "HUGE cushions" on such a typical type of street ride, he would not be subject to such a mistake?

Calling him out for his "bragging" had nothing to do with the videos he has posted, and was unnecessary--I should have simply informed him of that perception by many in a pm. Thus the laptime comparison would not have been needed to be as an example to debunk his bragging of being "fast" either. So regardless of if he fits squarely into the stereotypical trackday junkie or not-it is irrelevant and was not needed to be posted.

 

^ It was Vince dissing Dunlop---not you.

Vince is very anti-Dunlop......That doesn't mean there is anything wrong with them, just that he doesn't like them....but I also think he hasn't tried them in a very long time.

HE...hedonistic Enthusiast at a $50 fee and oriented towards the "first time trackday attendees" is likely your best bang for buck.
Zars-well most of the customers I have that have attended say the same thing, they get good attention in the first session or two of the begginer level 1 (Brent, Debby, Ian) but are neglected after that and for the most part it is just a ride on your own and figure it out on your own after that-especially once you pass level 2.......instruction ? well there is very little-it is just an open trackday....I have some other problems with ZARS days but not relevant to what you hope to accomplish

 I personally think you are and will continue to learn the most on rides with People like Vince, just like what you have been doing for the past 3 months.--But some good reading materials in the off season would help as well.

 I do not think "taking it to the track" is a better way to learn or even a faster way to learn---but everyone has an opinion.

Like we touched on (if one truly believes they "need" a trackday)--one could get a group of 15-20 friends together and rent the track privately for less than one zars day-and run atleast twice as many laps getting away from the 20 minute format and too many long delays from crashing. As a bonus if you pick the right friends you likely would learn more and have a better experience as well.....Hell you could likely even invite a few of those Zars instructors and offer them free tracktime--it seems they are used to be unpaid.

"nah, can't be.  Yul knows how to quote a previous post! "

Now that is funny.........