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General Banter / Re: Riding Safely
« on: September 26, 2011, 09:07:34 PM »
Since it is a "novel" and surely some (JVS obviously)skipped the important parts.....


"Ray--"While I personally enjoy a brisk pace, that's my pace, and shouldn't be construed as what others need to ride to enjoy a ride. I'd love to see more riders riding a variety of paces on rides. I think this would make it easier for folks to fit in and find folks to ride with."

exactly, thus the "ride your own ride" blah blah blah blah blah...omg have we come full circle yet? Is this not what we preach and emphasize and have sought after, holy shit the skies just parted ways, and the sun came out."

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General Banter / Re: Riding Safely
« on: September 26, 2011, 07:20:23 PM »
"I'd probably manage 20MPH because I'd have the luck to get stuck behind that truck in your picture (just like the car in the picture)."

Aprillian--I hope that is a smallish motorhome towing the car, otherwise they are really tailgating bad. Time for a brake check.

Brent--I do not believe everybody could ride through it at 50 mph, (double +20). There is half the problem, everyone (or atleast far too many) thinks they can do double + 20

Guzzi John--I certainly don't run double +20 on a regular basis, or when I have people behind me (following) I know don't have those skills...the vast majority of the riders I end up with don't have those skills.

Ray--"While I personally enjoy a brisk pace, that's my pace, and shouldn't be construed as what others need to ride to enjoy a ride. I'd love to see more riders riding a variety of paces on rides. I think this would make it easier for folks to fit in and find folks to ride with."

exactly, thus the "ride your own ride" blah blah blah blah blah...omg have we come full circle yet? Is this not what we preach and emphasis and have sought after, holy shit the skies just parted ways, and the sun came out.

Back to John--"BLACK DIAMOND ELITIST OR "SUPER SQUID"?  That's got your attention.  What % of our group has these abilities? "
 Super squid is the idiot who runs break neck speeds down the straights just to "park it" in the turns.....Super squid is the idiot who rides well beyond their capabilities....super squid is the idiot who doesn't actually know their own abilities...Super squids are the guys who run a bald tire another 500 miles, or don't wear "proper" gear....Super squids are all over the forums in many shapes and sizes, but none of them (sans 1) is anyone I would ever ride with once I come to that determination(and he is a part time super squid). So draw your own conclusions on what I consider a super squid, I think it is pretty clear.
So to address your triple black diamond elitist, yes I am an elitist, I only want to ride on triple black diamond routes with other people that are; "proficient", make the good choices, actually have a real knowledge of riding skills and take an active interest in developing their skills, and they know when it is time to go and when it is time to slow, as far as a percentage #...my preffered companions is under 20 total riders I know, most on this forum, but a few who are not---so you do the math...

But I also have no problem riding some scenic "smell the roses" ride with people that are riding within their limits, proficient and skilled enough to ride at their pace, I would not ride with them if they suddenly jumped to the triple black diamond routes and were way out of control or obviously over their head...ie crossing the centerline, blasting down the straights to catch up, etc etc etc...
 Finally-you can't believe double +20 off the track, I am not talking about anything posted over say 30, The turns posted higher than 30 or unposted, those turns I would just continue on at what I was riding on the straights...70 ish, but their are lots of turns posted 15,20,25 that I can ride dbl +20 all day without even giving it a second thought, sure there are also some of those turns that only dbl or even less than dbl is appropriate, but I have yet to find myself "in trouble" navigating at dbl +20 on the vast majority of the turns.

I have no illusions of "racetrack" stuff on the street, I have only really gone out once to "prove" something in many years, and it was far too easy. So yeah I ride triple black diamond roads at  a brisk pace, and often double +20 through many turns on a route (if conditions and companions merit) it is extremely rare that I break 70-75 on those same routes. Big difference if you are thinking double plus 20 means riding 130 through some turns--that is just fool hardy and begging for a ticket or ambulance ride or worse.

I am pretty sure my odds of severe injury at double +20 on a 15 mph turn are significantly less than me falling down at even 75 in a straight line, and at my "slow" pace (I really like the slow, tight technical turns)If I do fall, I can likely pick up the bike and ride it home mostly unscathed, something that isn't going to happen at 75 plus......FYI, I went 18 years without a crash, ridng at my "break neck" speeds...I never once even thought that since I didn't crash in so long I must be going too slow.
I tried to join your "slowpokes" ride today but you cancelled...so I will show up Thursday just to "prove" my point that I can ride at less than warp speed and still enjoy myself, since it seems you are calling me out??

my .02    FWIW

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General Banter / Re: Riding Safely
« on: September 26, 2011, 04:06:29 PM »
quote author=Vander link=topic=803.msg7715#msg7715 date=1317069764]
Double + 20?  :o

I am assuming that your assessment of "capability" is excluding any and all road anomalies, yes?
[/quote]

 I never set out on a ride and say "today I am going to ride double +20 through every turn" that would be foolhardy and the sure sign of what I consider to be an IDIOT !

 I always take into account road conditions, as well as numerous other factors. The "core" group of "black diamond" riders on here do.

I have no problem leading a group or riding in a group or even riding solo at a "slower" pace.

I do think (without speaking for all of them) that everyone on here I actually enjoy ridng with feel the same way.

So even though popular opinion is that I only ride black diamond routes at break neck (double+20) speeds...Well atleast they got the black diamond routes correct, yes those are definately my preffered routes.
I am all for riders having a "slower" pace, or prefferring different roads or riding styles, but have you read the front page?
Have you joined in on any of the vast majority of rides? ( not you Brent, I know you have the skills and have joined)
Black diamond roads and skills required should be that of those who are capable of riding double +20, accidents still can and will happen, even the cruiser guys who never exceed 60mph and have to put their feet down in the turns to keep from tipping over have accidents (statistically more, surprisingly---so I am told by someone in the insurance industry).

Anyways, the forum seems to have been built on the philosophy of; ride the toughest most challenging roads one can find and link together at speeds (pace riding but brisk to say the least) that will make many cringe. With other finely tuned, well skilled individuals.
Today we seem to have a few "groups" within the group---and I am all for that ! But the "black diamond" riders still are the majority of rides and clearly not for everyone. Especially  not for the underskilled and over confident.

Someone else please join in---I can't explain it all.


Vander that is a loaded question----in your last post.
I could ride through it as fast as I could ride though it. Hows that for an evasive answer---where is this road I'll go try it and give you my answer, it looks like a fun road...LOL

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General Banter / Re: Riding Safely
« on: September 26, 2011, 03:27:44 PM »
"I absolutely disagree. Most people will never have the skills, no matter how much training they get, to ride double plus 20 through the turns."

I guess I could be snarky now and argue this is exactly why we should stay a small elistist organization....LOL

oh the can o worms this could bring

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General Banter / Re: Riding Safely
« on: September 26, 2011, 03:17:38 PM »
^ I perhaps should have clarified.

If you intend on joining in on the "black diamond" type of rides.
Of course there are other  forum rides for the "slow" folks...lol

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General Banter / Re: Riding Safely
« on: September 26, 2011, 10:54:53 AM »
I'm still not understanding this whole need for "questions and analysis" thing on this forum.
I guess for me,  motorcycling is just an answer and does not need further analysis and disection.

Just ride the bike, dude.

I can only express my perspective on this

The "need" is fueled by there are so many members from other forums migrating over here. So many "newbies" who haven't been around for years and years and everyone knows them and how they ride.
So many members now who only post and never join a ride, or worse they only lurk then make some half cocked assumption and post it up as there introduction.

I may be very active on both ride organization/participation and the forum but I am not a long time member. There are numerous members who have been part of all the previous forms of the "club" and participate even more. Many who have stopped participating because of the "newbies" and perhaps even because of the "new" forum itself, and certainly some because of the way we have "cater" to newbies on the rides.

I hated the yahoo format simply because it was hard to use, I loved the yahoo format simply because of its simplicity and all you really saw on their was ride postings. When you "talked" to other people it was actually at the ride meeting spot and the creamary afterwards etc...you know in person face to face---In the era of internet everything, texting all day etc, I think that people have lost the ability to actually communicate (myself included)
This new (way too easy to use) format sucks rocks, because all it requires is for someone to have internet access and they can post up whatever they want whenever they want about anything they want and there are no real ramifications about it at all...oh boo hoo, you may get banned (very doubtful) it is far mor likely you will get a pm telling you of the error of your ways and hope that you see and agree and take appropriate steps.

"growing" the organization (if that is actually what is happening, I see 2 join, 1 leave. And you usually the 1 that leaves is worth more than 10 "newbies"...call me an elitist if you will, but I rather enjoy riding with and socializing with the 25 or so "old timers" and only about 4 of the new 100+ joinies since the format change.

I would much rather see 30-40 solid members who actually do have same or similar beliefs and riding (even if some are interested in a "fast paced, black diamond" ride while others want to "stop and smell the roses" and still others want to ride in the woods or fireroads. That is much more appealing to me than 200+ "members" where the vast majority have never even participated in a ride or anything productive for the organization.

So many of the postings that talk about ride safety and riding styles etc........yep all because there are so many uninitiated "newbies" who don't even participate and when they do (if they do) they are rudely awoken to what "pace" riding really is.

Like I have said many times, some people that have joined a ride have said "you guys are so slow" and others have said "you guys are so fast", it is all a matter of perspective. If you like running 100+ in a straight line and parking it in the turns, go find one of the other forums...if you think the street is a race track, hey those forums are perect for that too. On the other end if you think riding the posted recommended speed in the turns is fast, then you probably won't fit in here either-I am not saying you have to ride double +20 in the turns to enjoy a ride, but you should atleast have the capabilities and skills to do so.

FWIW


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General Banter / Re: Sheez Crashed @ Least 3 Times Today
« on: September 24, 2011, 08:58:40 PM »
 Ray are you trying to disprove my statement in that other thread about "us" not bragging about crashing...LOL

Glad you had fun and it is about damn time you went out and really rode that bike.




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General Banter / Re: Riding Safely
« on: September 24, 2011, 01:55:00 AM »
 38 minutes according to his profile, of course his 3 posts now likely took up much of that.

So what is available without being logged in, took him ?? 15 minutes ?? the rest he could read by trolling......makes a case for having to be logged in to read anything, IMO

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General Banter / Re: Riding Safely
« on: September 23, 2011, 10:51:49 PM »
YUL's first post on mn-msta

"Could it be time to reevaluate the culture of group riding here with the Co-Director crashing more times in one season than many in a lifetime of motorcycling?
I mean no offense.  I am just indicating the alarming statistics of this group and crashes.  And it would not be an issue if the mantra of the this association did not include an emphasis on safe riding. I just recall the front page having a outline of safe riding practices which I thoroughly respected.  Has the absence of that page now communicated a philosophy shift?  Has the focus of balancing of riding safely and fun been eliminated?

I am just curious.  I have not attended a group ride with anyone here, but reading these recent reports and posts about crashes has been rather concerning to me."



I just can't let this go......especially the very last line
"....reading these recent reports and posts about crashes has been rather concerning to me."
and this line;
"I am just indicating the alarming statistics of this group and crashes"

So you read on the other forums how crashing is a badge of honor and they proudly display and brag about it....So you read on the other forums how dozens of riders on each of them crash weekly, monthly some more than others. You read how 8 of them crashed last weekend?

Look I am on over a dozen forums, I have read it all, heard how they brag, heard others make excuses...You know what I have found on this forum, no one brags, no one makes excuses. Everyone on this forum knows that if they fall down it is their own damn fault. Everyone on this forum takes safety seriously (atleast everyone I would be willing to ride with, as there are faces I do not know and members I would not ride within 100 miles of)

So I ask you, where are all these "recent reports and posts" about crashes? I know of most all that happens and I can count this years crashers and it is less than one of those "other forums" had last weekend.
Are you seriously trying to make the argument that MN-MSTA riders are wreckless or under skilled or somehow not riding in a safe manner?
Or that "we" are somehow more prone to crashing because of how and who we ride with?
Or, that mn-msta members crash more than other local forums?
Come on---where are your facts, what is the basis for your hate on mn-msta?

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General Banter / Re: Conti Road Attack 2
« on: September 23, 2011, 09:57:24 PM »
Are the attacks on your bike already? They do have a return policy

But the road Attacks are still a good tire, that you shouldn't be afraid to run and likely would be happy with.

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General Banter / Re: Riding Safely
« on: September 23, 2011, 09:41:47 PM »
'user YUL has blocked your message"

hey YUL--I do know how to copy and paste.

"I am dissappointed in your jumping on Tony and on the forum as a whole.

Furthermore, you refuse to actual engage in real discussion, you claim you want intellectual discussion, yet you evade....

So please, go on your thread and join in, if you are here for the betterment of the group. PLease spill your words of wisdom, reveal your truths, show us what you know or at the least share some thoughts and insight."

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General Banter / Re: Arkansas Report
« on: September 23, 2011, 09:19:58 PM »
 Is there a pot yet on how long before that Lloyd guy reems this YUL character a new asshole? I want in.

Tony It was great seeing you wednesday, you were all smiles and jokes. It is always great to have you around, and you can ride with me anytime!!

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General Banter / Re: Arkansas Report
« on: September 23, 2011, 04:56:37 PM »
 I am not offering up any lame excuses for Tony, he knows what he did wrong or didn't do right.

But since I have the bike in front of me and have seen hundreds of crashed bikes over the years.
I will offer this up, his front tire was brand new the day they left (i put it on) The crash happened early the first day of riding.
The tire right now is not even scuffed on either side within 1.5" of the edge.....It is highly likely a contributing factor in the crash (I was not there and am not flying 800 miles away so I can't do an accident reconstruction). This does not make it any better or any worse, it is still a crash. But it is a factor to consider

 Furthermore considering I have customers who have crashed more than a half dozen times in a single season (yes from those other forums), and plenty more who wear crashing as a badge of honor( again from those other forums), I think Tonys 2 (and it is 2...the deer hit was not a crash, the wind blowing a parked unattended bike over is not a crash) crashes this year, both in Arkansas compared to his years without a crash and tens of thousands of miles riding this year alone....Well it can happen to the best of riders, it is unfortunate.

YUL-way to join just to be a douche, must be from one of "those forums" douchebaggery is a pre-requisite.

Why don't you post up your real name and your riding resume'...The "real" members on here all know who each other are.

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General Banter / Re: Arkansas Report
« on: September 23, 2011, 09:12:05 AM »
 When Tony, Greg, Brian and Roger showed up to drop off Tony's Bike, he was all smiles and as I made a little fun of his walker, he was quick with his witt of "yeah but, It is super lightweight".

The bike has certainly seen better days, I am not sure if Tony wants a picture or list posted up but lets just say it needs many many parts.

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Let me differentiate something for you guys---rides I have been on that we have had multiple leaders and called out a "fast" group and a "slow" group or whatever, the reality is all the groups are riding about the same pace(probably within 5 mph of each other)...

Can we talk more about this very interesting observation?  If it's not actual speed that's causing "grouping", what do we think causes people to think of others as either "fast" or "slow"?  I'm going to guess bidirectional "reputation" and "perception".

a.s.

For me it is more about manageable group size. Preferrably less than 6 or 7 per group, ideally only 3 or 4...my prefference, others have their own number. That answers your "grouping" but not your question of "fast" or "slow". I am routinely called both, so....

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