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General Category => General Banter => Topic started by: Hope2Ride on November 02, 2011, 10:04:15 PM
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I'm going to Barber next weekend for my first full track days. Has anyone been to that track before? Any tips/advice from you racers that would be good for a newbie to know? Any info would be greatly appreciated! I am going with a small group of other riders so I won't be alone and that will help a lot.
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I haven't been there but that track is sweet. A friend of mine raced AMA there back in 2004 and he loved the track. It's a very technical track so take your time learning the track, lines, and reference points. Ref points will be huge at a track like this with some blind crest corners and other elevation changes.
Basically just don't be in a hurry to go fast, with good technique...speed will come!
Hope you have a blast and I expect a report and some pics when you return!!
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Zaskar it was an AMAZING time down there! I loved the track, doesn't even come close to the ones here! A lot of great corners and elevation changes throughout made it really fun to ride! And there were no deer to run out in front of me! The track itself is in great shape, unlike BIR when I saw it this summer.
I did take it slow for a few reasons and I learned more than I thought I could in 2 days about my bike and cornering. In one aspect it got boring going around the same corners over and over again but on the other side of the coin it was nice knowing what was coming up ahead and trying to ride it better each time.
Overall it was a great first time track experience. I will get some pics up soon and try to get a video as well if I can figure out how to shorten the ones I have.
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Video? 8)
My POV (I group) with GPS data overlay, last session of the weekend:
http://youtu.be/olMurdibQuc?hd=1 (http://youtu.be/olMurdibQuc?hd=1)
My POV (I group) with GPS data overlay, 2nd to last session of the weekend:
http://youtu.be/3wGtR1wrI0U?hd=1&t=2m10s (http://youtu.be/3wGtR1wrI0U?hd=1&t=2m10s)
Dan following me out in I group:
http://youtu.be/V8Np61u7Ito?hd=1 (http://youtu.be/V8Np61u7Ito?hd=1)
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That's pretty freakin cool. What kind of set up do you have to get the GPS and lap time info to overlay on the video? Did you have to sync them or is it automatic?
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Thanks! ;D
Used the Trackmaster Android app on my phone, paired with a 10hz bluetooth GPS puck (QStarz 818xt) to capture the data. Then used Dashware software to combine and synchronize the video and overlay. The process is manual, but it's pretty easy. In the software you can set the sync point where you think it's close (I set the stop/start line on the actual stop/start line which made a great point of reference) then hit play and watch the location marker travel around the track in very high res which makes it easy to check your sync point. Both video's took me about 30s to sync. The phone app worked so well I'm considering holding off on getting an expensive dedicated GPS lap timer next season
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Awesome guys. Ben is your GP set at 127 or 170 degree field of view for those vids? They look great.
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While all the videos I shot this summer/fall on forum rides were 960p/180 FOV, I switched to 1080p/127 FOV recently and shot the above track videos in it. Besides the higher res which makes it look sharper, with the narrower field of view it is possible for something to look "close" in the shot without actually rubbing tires. :)
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I think I like the 127 better if the field of view needed allows for it.
Oh and I'm pretty jealous over this trip down to Barber too!
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Nice videos Ben. I still haven't been able to edit any of mine but somebody posted up some from Int group for both days. He just happened to be two bikes behind when I was hit by the 1198 from behind in T2. Looking at my footage we were going between 60-65 mph when we collided. He is behind me and the 1198 and we turn into T1 at about 13:04 and it happens right at 13:10. The other bike is behind me for the rest of the session. I'm not sure where the Duc went.
NESBA_Barber11-12-11_6th_Igroup.MP4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaxQ3tPeZd0#ws)
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Damn, I heard about the collision but just assumed it was a love tap in a braking zone, didn't realize it was mid-corner. Glad both of you kept it upright. Kind of looks like he was taking a wider line then you and when you came around him and cut back towards the inside you clipped him, in any case glad the only damage was a scuffed exhaust canister! :o
He got some nice footage of you for the rest of the session too, nice riding. 8)
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Thanks for posting the vids people. It appears that the sight lines thru some of those corners are very limited. Good that nobody appeared to go down in that T2 incident in the last vid.
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Damn, I heard about the collision but just assumed it was a love tap in a braking zone, didn't realize it was mid-corner. Glad both of you kept it upright. Kind of looks like he was taking a wider line then you and when you came around him and cut back towards the inside you clipped him, in any case glad the only damage was a scuffed exhaust canister! :o
He got some nice footage of you for the rest of the session too, nice riding. 8)
Although not clear in the video from this angle, I was past him before we tipped in. I rode the same line I always took through there. I think he didn't like getting passed, stayed on the gas late and went wide before he hit me. My rear was definately clear of his front before I turned in. In my video it's clear I passed before the corner entrance as you can see him on the side as I went past. It wasn't like I pulled a Simoncelli on him... when Marco clipped Pedrosa's front wheel going around the outside and they both went down. lol
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I think most organizations would agree that it is the responsability of the passing rider to make a clean and safe pass (both of which look questionable to me given the outcome). Some of what took place in the video no doubt had to do with the passer's choice of overtaking place and line choice as well as the passie. You may well have been in front of him technically but if he's looking through a right hand corner when you do he may not have seen you until it was too late. Had you held your line on the outside and made a clean sweeping pass he would have been allowed to finish his line.
Since it's an intermediate session at a track day and far from a race I probably would have been a little upset with the choice to pass in that manner and blatant line choice had I been the Duc rider.
Of course I wasn't there and it's only my opinion, which doesn't matter at home either so...Alas, no harm no foul.
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Here is the video from my GoPro. I passed the 1198 at 2:06 on the straight before T2. You can see him on the extreme right as I went past at a decent pace. Both of us and the bike in front were still vertical and you can see we are well before the turn from the edge of the track. I tipped in and contact was made at 2:10. You can see me look over my shoulder in the reflection in my dash. Things happen very quickly but from the time I went past to the time my tire was hit was over 3 seconds. At 60+ mph that is a lot of distance. I can't say I'm 100% not at fault but I don't take unnecessary risks passing on the track. I'd rather just let someone go by than push it. There was plenty of sketchy passing going on all weekend though. NESBA allows passing on the inside or outside of any straight as long as bikes are still "vertical." However the "vertical" portion of this rule is pushed quite a bit. Other than that, Int group can pass on the outside of any corner. The whole bump didn't bother me too much and I just continued to ride out the session with no worries. The pace of the NESBA Int group is pretty quick and much faster than a ZARS Int group.
NESBA Barber T2 incident with 1198 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CZqX77FQfE#)
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I guess I am with CBReater, it looks like you came down on him.
But I also think it is a RACETRACK and passing and going fast is what it is for. So despite maybe a "close" pass, that guy likely could have given you more room...but you certainly could have held an outside line as well (you were clearly coming down to the apex) With that track being so wide and this is afterall "just" a trackday. no trophy, no points no hoopla--I would have stayed on the throttle on the straight and made the pass going into 1 (based solely on what the video can represent) but I also raced forever and still pass as soon as I can, not when its convenient (but I also think that would have been the better choice)
I couldn't help notice you guys lap times....
I did laugh at the 1198 guys aero brake attempt-he has what appeared about 10' of track he could have moved over and simply rolled off some? But I suppose he didn't see it (bike coming across his planned line) soon enough and by the time he reacted he felt braking was the best choice-even though it appears to have straightened his line some...,,,In any case you both went unscathed and either or both of you could have made simple changes once the pass was already in progress or before-that would have eliminated even a close call, let alone actual contact.
But it is a racetrack, I know when I have been-I always expect to pass and be passed and sometimes touch.
I think the hope/expectation is that since it is "only" a trackday people will be more cautious and error on the side of safety rather than the side of "this guy is holding me up and I want by" (especially on the heels of so many crashes there that weekend already)
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There was plenty of sketchy passing going on all weekend though. NESBA allows passing on the inside or outside of any straight as long as bikes are still "vertical." However the "vertical" portion of this rule is pushed quite a bit. NESBA Barber T2 incident with 1198 ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CZqX77FQfE#[/url])
I agree! Riding in the BEG group riders are supposed to pass in the straights. I know I was slow, but it wasn't a race and I didn't ride like it was either. I rode to improve my riding, not to impress others with how fast I can go. That being said I was passed a lot and of course not in the proper way. After a couple of sessions I just expected it. I had riders passing me in the corners and very close to me as well. I was riding harder than I ever have on the streets but I was more woried about someone hitting me from behind then going down. Well, even with those assholes I still wanna go back, it was a great track!
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From the vids posted so far it looks like a challenging track.
Hope, did you get any video?
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Yes I sure did! Problem is my videos are all over 15 min so I cant post em up to youtube. I don't know how to edit and shorten vids so... I'll try to get someone to help me with it and post one of mine. I have a lot of pictures too I could post.
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Do what you can. I'd offer to help but I'm totally clueless about loading
pictures to the internet. I've never even owned a camera with that capability.
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Yes I sure did! Problem is my videos are all over 15 min so I cant post em up to youtube. I don't know how to edit and shorten vids so... I'll try to get someone to help me with it and post one of mine. I have a lot of pictures too I could post.
I use MPEG Streamclip to trim my gopro videos down, if all you need to do is trim them it is hard to beat the simplicity and it's FREE! :)
http://www.squared5.com/ (http://www.squared5.com/)
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Real Player trimmer is also free and easy to use.
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While we were there on Sunday a man was airlifted out from the track. Unfortunately he died a couple days ago from his injuries. Here's the link to the info via NESBA http://tracktalk.nesba.com/showthread.php?t=22700 (http://tracktalk.nesba.com/showthread.php?t=22700)
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RIP bud, least he died doing what he loved
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even when I don't know the guy that stuff makes me really sad.
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Doesn't sound like a good way to go...5 weeks on life support-lots of broken bones and internal injuries.
I wish the best for his wife and kids, and hope he had a good life insurance policy.( along with good medical-so they are not left with 5 weeks of ICU bills too)
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It's very sad and difficult on the family to spend weeks in an ICU not knowing what outcome awaits. I see it at work and deal with these families and my heart goes out to them. I'm glad he was doing something he loved when it happened. R.I.P. buddy.