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General Category => General Banter => Topic started by: aschendel on October 13, 2012, 11:03:11 PM
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My grandmother just passed away, in southern California... I've been dreaming about riding there to visit the relatives out there anyways but haven't yet made the time. Is it crazy to do it now? The problem is that it would definitely not be vacation and it's difficult to justify spending the time on the road. I could out-and-back it on an airplane in as little as 3 days and probably feel like I was able to spend more quality time visiting... The bike would be more like 6 days, 1.5 riding each way and probably less quality visiting.
The 2 things going for the bike are I'd be travelling light anyways, and airplane tickets are fairly costly; a set of tires and gas might be a couple hundred bucks less a plane ticket. I'm always up for adventure, so I put that in the bike column too. There are some important negatives: the "danger", the time, the fact that it wouldn't be relaxing or an interesting route (in a lot of ways). Like many of us though, I'd pretty much rather ride anywhere than fly or drive.
Crazy to consider? Love to hear your thoughts.
a.s.
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i would fly, just me. sounds like you would have to slab to the coast but not sure. (have never ridden there)If it was important to me to be there, i would want to be there and catch one of the trips out west or somewhere next year. hope that makes sense and sorry for your loss.
Joel
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My sincerest condolences for your loss, good sir. A nice long motorcycle ride may be quite therapeutic for you.
My concern, is the time of year... we're at the tipping point where day-by-day weather condition can really hamper a motorcycle trip. The cold and rain may not STOP you, but it will slow you down. And the mountain passes are probably closed by now (maybe).
With a concrete destination and timeline (making it to the visitation/ funeral on time) I personally would avoid a long trip on a motorcycle. Even one hiccup and you could miss your targeted arrival time. And in my experience, even in good weather there is always at least ONE hiccup, you know?
That's my thoughts. Good luck to you. I wish you the best.
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I have made this trip a few times. I have always done it in the spring time which is like making it now. If your taking a sportbike be sure to put some good long lasting touring tire on. You have at least 4,000 miles to cover. Avon's would be good for this. They work good and wear like iron. I would plan on 2 days out and 2 days back. If it snows start adding time. You are going to me taking the interstate all the way so if it snows they clear the road right away. But it still could take a day or two.
I don't know if you ever taken a long trip before but you need to know how to pack. You don't want this part of the trip to slow you down. You not going to need just your daily needs. Your going to need cold weather gear. It take a lot of room. It is going to get cold up the the hills at 12,000 ft. And to make time your going to be riding at night. so when the sun goes down it is going to get even colder. When this starts to happen you are going to want to ride faster to shorten the suffering. Your going to need a radar detector. I would take a few more days to give yourself some time to look around.
Good luck with it.
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Sorry for your family's loss. I would definitely fly. Save a trip like this for a better time of the year and when you feel better about doing it and can have more fun. Also, I am sure a plane ticket would be cheaper.
I did a 1,000 mile day coming back from TX this summer and I don't think it's fun, but that's just me. Slabbing it for hours and hours with a sore ass gets pretty old on mile 700-1000 when you're tired. You'd have to do two of those back to back to get there in two days. Two 18 hour days most likely on the bike. You'll have to get hotel rooms each night, gas is $4 a gallon, meals and you'll have a half shot set of tires in the end.
Probably a trip you'd enjoy but enjoy more without a set time line involved.
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Vince, you be the man if you have the kahunas to go through the Rockies and Sierras in the middle of October. No way would I consider this trip on a bike this time of year unless my route was going to cross the Rockies at the far southern border of Colorado.
I rode through the Rockies the few days after Labor Day and there were already systems wreaking havoc at the highest elevations. A friend reported they have already closed some passes in the Sierras. At this time of year, the systems are too unpredictable and poor luck could leave you stuck in a motel room. Plus the whole vibe of attending your Grandma's funeral might distract you from a good ride.
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I rode through the Rockies the few days after Labor Day and there were already systems wreaking havoc at the highest elevations. A friend reported they have already closed some passes in the Sierras. At this time of year, the systems are too unpredictable and poor luck could leave you stuck in a motel room. Plus the whole vibe of attending your Grandma's funeral might distract you from a good ride.
+1. Wait and plan a good trip you'll enjoy instead of using the passing of your grandmother as an opportunity that is simply something you endured. It's late in the season to head West/SW, and tough to plan a route that gets there within 2 days of riding that doesn't at some point exceed 6-8,000 feet, minimum. Mid week forecast for central Utah and northern New Mexico is lows in the 20s, 30s in Flagstaff. Even west from Oklahoma panhandle would leave you with two very long days, and who knows what you'll encounter on the way home. How much faith you do place in the forecast?
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thank you guys for the condolances and valuable input. the decision is probably already made for me; my dad, brother and sister all want to drive :/ :) so unless the schedule doesn't allow for it, we'll be doing it on 4 wheels. from the sounds of it i should investigate chains, as we'll not have 4-wheel drive. ;)
thanks again,
andy
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Sorry for your loss Andy. Fly or drive but don't ride.
Take care
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Sorry for your loss Andy. A ride like that can be therapeutic but like many have said it can be problematic as well.
Did everyone forget about the southern route though?
Usually when we drive to see my sister in LA we take that route just to avoid any issues w/weather & such.
Sure it isn't as fun on a bike but Route 66 for a lot of the way could be cool.
Sounds like your plans are set though & I wish you guys a safe trip!!
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Andy, sorry for your loss. In regards to chains, forget about them. I lived in Denver 12 years and went into the mtns on a regular basis with my company front wheel drive car (with just all season tires). If the highways get bad enough that you cant get around with just that they shut the the highways down. So unless you are going to be somewhere in the backwoods on a country road you don't need a 4WD or chains.
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If it were me, I would pack a lot of cold weather gear and slab it there the fastest way to get to the funeral on time. Then I would enjoy my way back home by taking it slow and checking out sights, etc... that is if I had that much time to spend. I know it's hard losing a loved one but sometimes a little throttle therapy helps clear the mind too.
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Sorry for your loss.
I would not recommend riding out there this time of year, they are skiing in the mountains already.
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Ice is forecasted for North Platte this week. Nothing scares me more on a bike. ;)
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I still am wondering if people are forgetting about the southern route that goes thru IA, KS, NM, & AZ along the way.
I would think that route should be pretty clear other than maybe some rain & such.
Here is a route out to LA my family has done in the past.
Sure it would be a lot of slabbing but OTW back could be a lot of fun finding fun off shoots.
https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=St+Paul,+MN&daddr=37.66783,-97.75761+to:33.46216,-112.12194+to:Los+Angeles,+CA&hl=en&ll=38.976492,-105.424805&spn=15.527547,31.420898&sll=33.785996,-112.307739&sspn=2.077231,3.927612&geocode=FWfwrQIdWo9z-imfN-nkztSyUjEpLto_0pFyyA%3BFfbDPgIdVlYs-imPhBIf79S6hzEng1GAlg9SEQ%3BFZCX_gEdrCdR-SldGqYIlhMrhzEtXcktJmdHdw%3BFYqYBwIdm77z-CkT2ifcXcfCgDH0CEYlb98v4g&oq=St.+Paul&gl=us&mra=dvme&mrsp=2&sz=9&via=1,2&t=m&z=6
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I still am wondering if people are forgetting about the southern route that goes thru IA, KS, NM, & AZ along the way.
It's already been mentioned at least twice in this thread. It sounded like he didn't have that much time to work with and a southern route would probably add an extra day.
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Thank you all! That southern route only adds 4 hours :) but alas, we're all set to take the minivan via denver/vegas. So it looks like I need to get an Out West ride scheduled for next summer :) Why is it so hard to make the time for the best things in life? :/
a.s.
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Argh, of course, you are going to So Calif so you are not deviating the route by going further south. My point of reference was the time we went through New Mexico on the way back from Sacramento.
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Thank you all! That southern route only adds 4 hours :) but alas, we're all set to take the minivan via denver/vegas. So it looks like I need to get an Out West ride scheduled for next summer :) Why is it so hard to make the time for the best things in life? :/
a.s.
Drive safe.
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Would not want to have been riding the Rockies this week. From Montana to New Mexico had snow and almost up to a foot above 7000 feet in some passes.
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yup yup... the way out was balmy through the night, mid-70's once we were down into Iowa. The way back, the exact opposite, cold (like 19F) in the high desert with snow from the rockies east for a couple hundred miles I think... the southern route might have worked. even with 4 of us it was difficult and on the bike i'd have needed more time, the better part of a day on either side I suppose.
I haven't had time to analyze all of the data collected en route, but I do know the following:
Total Miles: 4,033 miles
Total Fuel: 198.52 gallons
Total Fuel Cost: $751.19
Average Fuel Cost: $3.78
Average MPG: 20.3 miles per gallon
Fuel Cost per person: $187.80
The most expensive gas was obtained in Hesparia, CA ($4.33/gal) and the cheapest was Stuart, IA ($3.31/gal). We stopped at, and then decided against, a place outside of Vegas with $5/gal.
Traffic stops: 2 - nice work, Zac (my brother).
Traffic tickets: 0 - even nicer work, Zac!
We made it out in 28 hours, and back in 29 hours and 15 minutes.
We didn't see any live animals that were larger than a fox but we did see a few dead deer, a big black pig, and some elk/deer in hunter's trucks. I don't believe we had any "close calls" or other incidents of note. The snow in the mountains was substantial and covered way more distance than I thought it would but the roads were cleared (a bit wet) by the time we got to that part.
I did end up with a few pictures -- many sincere thanks to Christopher (5 year old cousin) for getting great shots of the grownups. I had to do some work to the images from the first day due to the way those were stored on the camera (and I'm sure I didn't do it exactly right as this was my first time doing it) but I didn't do any tweaking for the rest of them. Anyways, you guys might enjoy a few of them...
Once you click into these links, you can click on one of the square images to bring up a fuller version, then you can use your arrow keys to flip through them.
The trip out:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8gydlh31yx13mn7/u_zO8tb1zE (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8gydlh31yx13mn7/u_zO8tb1zE)
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pm20403728y4o92/2rPeZVS2jE (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pm20403728y4o92/2rPeZVS2jE)
Visiting CA:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/bukubsxunrryoai/gGMTby2SaA (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/bukubsxunrryoai/gGMTby2SaA)
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/9hpuzv5g1mjcbdv/nIo1BURNnR (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/9hpuzv5g1mjcbdv/nIo1BURNnR)
The trip back:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ykscowtr3tl52ov/TxRG_oVaUs (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ykscowtr3tl52ov/TxRG_oVaUs)
a.s.
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nice pics dude, you guys hauled ass and made pretty good time. That minivan doesn't get the greatest mileage compared to the newer ones I guess, but looked comfortable.