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General Category => Off Topic => Topic started by: Greg on October 20, 2011, 08:34:05 AM
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I've seen 4 in the past week alone in Minneapolis. I kind of dig 'em.
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FIAT = Fix it again Tony.....
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That aint no Pininfarina design
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They got a good rating for crash worthiness.
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Probably because they bounce off things and tumble down the road. Too bad the occupants wind up with scrambled brains after 20+ rolls.
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I saw a lot of 500's when I was in England, but If I were going to go econo box I'd still prefer one of these.
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I'd like an original Mini.
The Fiats are kind of fun.
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I think there is a real market for cars with 50+mpg if the oil companies will allow it, my guess is they won't cause these cars have been out there for awhile. The smart car made it because it's in the mid 40's. Protecting the oil companies investments is the priority in this country, why is the rest of the world diving cars that have been getting better gas milage than our for years?
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. . . why is the rest of the world diving cars that have been getting better gas milage than our for years?
They are much smaller than we are willing to drive.
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Those little 500's are pretty cute in person, lots of character for sure.
why is the rest of the world diving cars that have been getting better gas milage than our for years?
I think that government interference (i.e. pollution and safety regulations along with "late breaking" changes to fuel economy policy) plays a huge role. Cars are heavier than ever, and like Elk said, I don't want to give up any features or performance.
It's easy to make a 50+ mpg car that sucks, but predicting what consumers will really want to buy (i.e. profit to make it worth it) as well as guessing at what new or changed government regulations will need to be complied with 8-10 years ahead of a model launch (when the real DNA for a car is laid down) is basically impossible.
On a similar note, I'd like to know which part of making rechargeable batteries is good for the planet.
a.s.
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why is the rest of the world diving cars that have been getting better gas milage than our for years?
Another reason is that, we in the US drive longer distances then most places else where in the world and our crash test requirements are higher its harder for these light small cars to pass them.
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The J.Lo car! lol, sure the ads haven't affected your perception of that little car Greg? ;D
Why is the rest of the world diving cars that have been getting better gas milage than our for years?
The distance we drive was already brought up, as was American's propensity for bigger is better. Another reason is that European's suffer from high fuel tarriff's. Gas in Britian in September (if my math is right) was $8.24/gal! (1.357 pounds per liter.) If I had to pay over $8 a gallon I would certainly be driving something that got 50mpg's, like a motorcycle! :)
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they are cool. i want to test ride one when i get a chance.
makes you feel better when your other vehicle just drives a loop each weekend for no other purpose than to spike the heartrate.
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The new Bug is kind of cool as well. A little more masculine in styling than the previous Beetle.
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The new Bug is kind of cool as well. A little more masculine in styling than the previous Beetle.
Definitely a better looking bug...the change of the roof line definitely helps
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the new bug has Audi lights, looks wider too
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the new bug has a porsche rear end look too, very nice.
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The new Bug is kind of cool as well. A little more masculine in styling than the previous Beetle.
V.W, needed to add a little male appeal after the previous version cornered the 55+ year-old female market.
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That's the Fiat J-Lo drives in the commercials right? My god is it ever ugly, sorry. That and the Mini Cooper make the Mazda Miata seem manly...
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Neat car. Too bad there isn't a real high performance version. I always think I need to swing by the dealer and check one out.
I keep pointing the commercials out to my wife and suggesting it as a replacement for her Mini. No sale. She doesn't like it. On the other hand although it is a hoot to drive, I'm getting tired of the maintenance costs of the Mini.
We'd all be much more interested in these cars if gas were taxed as heavily as it is in other countries. As long as gas is relatively inexpensive interest in economical cars will be limited and interest in conspicuous consumption cars like Hummers will be high.
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I think the high performance version is coming next year, the Abarth edition is the equivalent of the John Cooper Works Mini. Should be interesting.
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We'd all be much more interested in these cars if gas were taxed as heavily as it is in other countries. As long as gas is relatively inexpensive interest in economical cars will be limited and interest in conspicuous consumption cars like Hummers will be high.
Conspicuous and extraordinarily useful if you need to haul or pull. Once it no longer makes sense for car makers to make reasonably priced light-, medium- and heavy-duty haulers, many small business people and recreational tow vehicle people are going to be in a real difficult position.
The way I see it, the beauty of market freedom (and formerly cheap gas) is that people have options, the path we're on, not so much. Cars will all more or less look the same, work the same, and we'll end up with fewer choices and less interesting (and less useful) vehicles.
a.s.
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I think there is a real market for cars with 50+mpg if the oil companies will allow it, my guess is they won't cause these cars have been out there for awhile. The smart car made it because it's in the mid 40's. Protecting the oil companies investments is the priority in this country, why is the rest of the world diving cars that have been getting better gas milage than our for years?
that's bogus, it's the American consumer that isn't demanding them. Diesels and small turbo'd engines are completely legal here, you and I could build them all we want if we can find enough buyers.
When I was in Europe I rented a turbo diesel Peugeot and it was a hoot to drive and got great gas mileage. Fat Americans still want their Camry's and Impalas though.
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Americans don't want to drive fuel efficient vehicles. They'd rather have large gas guzzling boats, it's kind of a status symbol. Small, cheap cars are seen as less manly, and make you look poor. Americans also must have vehicles capable of hauling 8 people, pulling a boat, and it has to have every option available just in case. Heaven forbid people would drive something fuel efficient and practical.
And hybrids, what a joke. The added expense and complexity to get the same mpg as a small diesel car. I recently learned that if you're in an accident in a hybrid, the operator of the jaws of life must be trained in hybrid cars. Seems that cutting through that 100 volt cable by accident can kill somebody. Ouch!
(I should talk though, I drive a Honda CR-V, which is a small feminine vehicle that only gets in the upper 20's for mileage ;D)
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I talk my two sons into buying Ford Fiesta. Lot of options and they are both getting 38 mpg.
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Here is the Fiat 500 Abarth edition
http://automotive.speedtv.com/article/autos-abarth-heats-up-fiat-500 (http://automotive.speedtv.com/article/autos-abarth-heats-up-fiat-500)