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General Category => General Banter => Topic started by: Jared on April 05, 2012, 01:38:26 PM
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Who else is watching this year? I'm getting really excited for this weekend!!!!
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Does anyone know the time and station it is broadcast on?
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Looks like Speed on Sunday at 2 local time. Pretty funny they haven't updated their page yet to reflect the change over to 1000cc this year. I am going to be watching BBC coverage online, have not been impressed by their coverage of road racing in the past.
http://www.speedtv.com/programs/motogp-world-championship/ (http://www.speedtv.com/programs/motogp-world-championship/)
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I don't get as excited about racing as I used to. Not sure why. I'm just not a very good spectator, I guess. I was never able to watch any of those movies like Long Way Down, Long Way Around, or World's Fastest Indian, either. They all put me to sleep in the first half hour.
Racing's about the only motorcycling I can watch on TV, but I have trouble listening to anyone on Speed, and I get really tired of hearing Jamie Whitham saying "Yeahyeahyeah" and "Yep yep yep" on the Eurosport WSBK broadcasts. Those guys seem to feel compelled to talk even when they have nothing to say. Maybe they're too much like me. ::)
I really like Julian Ryder and Toby Moody on the Eurosport broadcasts of MotoGP, and I hope they're back again this year. I can't stand the BBC announcers.
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Should be a good one.
I'll be interested to see whether these comments fire Rossi up.
Translated from Italian
MotoGP Stoner: "Lorenzo has more talent than Rossi"
In an interview picked up by Spanish sports daily Marca , the reigning MotoGP Casey Stoner said some of the most important race on the 2012 title , which begins this weekend with the Grand Prix of Qatar and sees again Australia's start with the underdogs. Once again, the Australian champion has not lost the opportunity to release some of the statements 'polemics' against Valentino Rossi . Thank goodness that in a few hours start testing at Losail, and will talk about the timing ...
"It 's hard to say who the pilot with more talent - said Stoner - Valentino is talented in many things which to me is lacking, for example in dealing with the media. In some respects he has more talent than me, other than I am. It 'holds true for all. Lorenzo has been shown to have more talent, Valentino, and he proved it when both had the same bike. Even Dani [ Pedrosa ] has a great talent, and if he can make a great season without injuries, everyone will have to deal with him "
"We [the pilots] we're all here for the same reason - he added the Australian - we have the same passion. We all run the same risks and we must respect each other: there is no reason to hate, to hate an opponent. We are people mature and we must realize. I have great respect for the drivers who drive in a clear way, without doing silly things. We know that there may be an accident at any time, and we know how difficult it is to stay in front of each week, the effort that this entails. I have great respect for Lorenzo, is a great fighter. The same is true for Valentino, Dani, Andrew ... "
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from the article posted by Ray:
"I have great respect for Lorenzo, is a great fighter. The same
is true for Valentino, Dani, Andrew ... "
Who's Andrew?
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from the article posted by Ray:
"I have great respect for Lorenzo, is a great fighter. The same
is true for Valentino, Dani, Andrew ... "
Who's Andrew?
My guess it is just poor Italian translation of Andrea as in Dovizioso.
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Nice find Ray. Stoner had definitely upped the smack talk over the last month or two.
Brent, I know what you mean about the BBC coverage. I like the pre and post race access they have vs. Eurosport, but the commentary is not at the same level.
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I remember Valentino saying something about one or two riders being better than himself. That might have been last year. I think Rossi's knows his best days are probably behind him. When it stops being fun, he'll move on to something else. Right now, he's got a big fan base, and he's getting paid to do something lots of people would consider a privilege. I'm glad he's still out there.
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Me thinks Stoner will run away with it. MOTOGP has got boring over the years - much rather watch BSPK or WSBK
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Me thinks Stoner will run away with it. MOTOGP has got boring over the years - much rather watch BSPK or WSBK
Hasn't Stoner won it like 4 out of the last 5 years?
BSPK = British Superbike? I haven't watched much of it. Maybe I should.
I started watching World Superbike when BMW got in it. There are some great riders, several former MotoGP riders (Biaggi, Checa, Melandri, Guintoli, John Hopkins), and it's more competitive than MotoGP, usually without one rider dominating the field. Don't really care for the commentary, but there's generally more dicing than MotoGP. The riders look like they're closer to the edge (which is probably the case), and that makes it fun to watch.
I watched a few FIM Superstock races a couple years ago when Badovini was winning every race. Now he's running at the back of the pack in WSBK.
Someone recently told me that AMA is where it's at now.
Brent
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Tim, you are probably right. Now that Stoner is over his "lactose intolerance" he is dominating, and did the same even when he was on the Ducati. Barring injury I think it's unlikely that anyone will be able to give him any sort of challenge.
For pure racing, MotoGP isn't the most exciting. Moto2 was probably the best racing I saw last year. I am looking forward to see how the CRT bikes shake out this year and hope that there will be some good battles in that (sub)class.
Not sure why, but it's hard for me to get as engaged in some of the other series, even WSBK. Maybe because the stakes are higher and grids are smaller in MotoGP I find myself really pulling for a specific rider.
Some of the other Stoner/Rossi smack talk:
Stoner from March 8th:
http://superbikeplanet.com/2012/Mar/120308a.htm (http://superbikeplanet.com/2012/Mar/120308a.htm)
Much like several Aussie World Champion predecessors, Casey Stoner rarely resists the chance to land a mental blow on his rivals through the media.
Last Saturday, Repsol trotted out its sponsored 2012 World Championship riders in a dog-and-pony show in Madrid (team intros in Spain actually do include horses). Reigning World Champion Stoner stepped into that opening to jab MotoGP rival Valentino Rossi and his troubles with Ducati during testing last week at Sepang.
"All the other Ducatis were faster than his during the test," Stoner said about Rossi. "He wasn't worried about a single fast lap, but he is the lead rider on the team, and he should be the fastest before complaining so much. He needs to figure out why the GP12 performed well in the first test, and poorly in the second ... but I honestly hope they can turn things around, as it would be good for the entire championship."
Pulling out the Ovaltine secret decoder ring, Stoner meant: "Hey, Vale. Quit yer bitching, mate. You're slow, lost and not getting any younger. I hope you have a good year because in the words of the immortal MC Hammer, you can't touch this."
ENDS
And HRC's official Twitter feed from February:
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I'd like to think this is the year we see Rossi, Tiger Woods and Jeff Gordon all make a come back for one last glimpse of their dominating years (hold your commentary over left turning, stick and ball sports please.)
Brent, was that comment about AMA a joke? Seriously have no clue who races that series at this point. Would love to be interested if there is a reason.
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Paul, the person who made the AMA comment wasn't joking. Maybe he was just bored with everything else.
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Thanks Brent, that is interesting.
You answered me pretty fast, but since my Applaud/Smite count didn't change, I guess you are ambivalent about me.
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Ducati has lost its way since 2007. In 2010, when Lorenzo won the world championship after Rossi broke his leg (and still finished 3rd), Stoner could only manage 4th and Hayden 7th. Pedrosa was 2nd on the Honda, but had Rossi not broke his leg, he would have clearly finished 3rd. Yamaha not only had some of the best, if not the best riders, but also had the best bike. Spies managed 6th on it riding for the Tech3 satellite team. Honda on the other hand appeared to have the 2nd best bike as Pedrosa and Dovizioso managed 2nd (would have been 3rd if Rossi hadn't broke his leg) and 5th respectively, and the fact that Stoner finished so far ahead of Hayden (who couldn't best Spies on the satellite Yamaha bike), showed how superior a rider Stoner was. Since 2007 he had been besting his teammates by 3-4 places, but had been failing to finish in the top 3, the Ducati was clearly the 3rd best bike (a nice way of saying it was basically noncompetitive).
For 2011 Stoner and Rossi switched seats and it became even clearer how bad the Ducati was and how good Stoner is. After 3 years of struggling to make the Ducati a winner, his move to the Honda resulted in his 2nd world championship and Rossi was struggling the way Stoner had in 2010.
In 2012 the switch to the 1000cc formula should be interesting. The fact that Ducati, after initial success struggled with 800cc era, the move back to 1000cc negates much of whatever advantage Yamaha and Honda built over Ducati during this era. The switch back also should enable physically larger riders to be more competitive.
Pedrosa 5'3" 112 lbs.
Dovizioso 5'4" 120 lbs.
Stoner 5'7" 128 lbs.
Lorenzo 5'6' 143 lbs.
Rossi 5'11" 147 lbs.
Hayden 5'8" 150 lbs.
Spies 5'10" 156 lbs.
While Stoner is brilliant, I would not be surprised to see 2012 be the year Spies hits his stride and really starts to make waves. We shall see whether those who succeeded in 800 era can be successful with the return of the 1000cc bikes.
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Sorry for the typo, meant BSBK -> British Superbike - Incredibly exiting and competitive racing.
Stoner won last year and in 2007. As far as I know, he has just those two championships in MotoGP.
Looks like BMW has finally got the Gremlins out of that chassis, and appear to be very competitive in WSBK this year. Be interesting to see how Edwards does, in MotoGP, on the BMW powered CRT bike, as well as the other CRT teams. Probably going to be like watching two races in one - the factory bikes and the CRT bikes
Me thinks Stoner will run away with it. MOTOGP has got boring over the years - much rather watch BSPK or WSBK
Hasn't Stoner won it like 4 out of the last 5 years?
BSPK = British Superbike? I haven't watched much of it. Maybe I should.
I started watching World Superbike when BMW got in it. There are some great riders, several former MotoGP riders (Biaggi, Checa, Melandri, Guintoli, John Hopkins), and it's more competitive than MotoGP, usually without one rider dominating the field. Don't really care for the commentary, but there's generally more dicing than MotoGP. The riders look like they're closer to the edge (which is probably the case), and that makes it fun to watch.
I watched a few FIM Superstock races a couple years ago when Badovini was winning every race. Now he's running at the back of the pack in WSBK.
Someone recently told me that AMA is where it's at now.
Brent
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Stoner won last year and in 2007. As far as I know, he has just those two championships in MotoGP.
My fault, sorry. I meant that Stoner won like 4 out of the last 5 races at Losail. I was just guessing, but it's actually correct.
2011 - Stoner
2010 - Rossi
2009 - Stoner
2008 - Stoner
2007 - Stoner
So I'll be cheering for anyone but Stoner!
Actually, I don't really care that much about who wins in any race. I really like to see close races, squeaky passes, and closely-contested championships. I like to see someone start from eighth place and win it on the last lap. Some of the least exciting years were those when Rossi had it wrapped up with four or five races left.
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Not certain that this will be a breakout year for Spies, as he has, IMHO, a fair way to bridge the gap with Stoner and Lorenzo. Not sure how a 1000cc vs 800cc engine will even out the riders with respect to their weight. Thought MotoGP had a minimum weight restriction similar to thoroughbred racing. Spies will probably contend for the podium, but I doubt he will be in contention for the Championship.
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Do Want. How much to put this in my front yard?
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Not sure how a 1000cc vs 800cc engine will even out the riders with respect to their weight. Thought MotoGP had a minimum weight restriction similar to thoroughbred racing.
What I remembered from reading rules years ago was that there were minimum weights, but I thought it was for the bike only, so that a lighter rider would still have an advantage over a heavier rider. Turns out to be true for the upper two classes (this year at least), but not for the new Moto3.
From http://www.motogp.com/en/MotoGP+Basics/bikes: (http://www.motogp.com/en/MotoGP+Basics/bikes:)
The following are the minimum weights permitted:
MotoGP™
Up to 800cc – 150 kg
801 - 1000cc - 153 kg
Moto2™ motorcycle 140 kg
Moto3™ motorcycle + rider 148 kg
The teams may add ballast to their bikes to achieve the minimum weights and the weight may be checked at the initial technical control, but the main control of weight is made at the end of practice sessions or at the end of the race. For the Moto3 class the weight checked is the total of the rider with full protective clothing plus the weight of the motorcycle.
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Thanks for the clarification. Interesting that rider + weight has been adopted on Moto3 but not the higher classes. Wonder if this is something that FIM are looking to adopt to all the classes - makes sense to me!
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Do Want. How much to put this in my front yard?
How big is your front yard?
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Hang on... Let me get a picture.
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A little ingenuity and $50M and it'll be good to go!
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Still not getting the 1000cc vs 800cc as being a weight equalizer. I assume we are discussing power-to-weight ratio which is going to be linear considering a change in bike weight and not rider weight?
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I have to go one record saying Stoner will be champ. If it turns out I am wrong you all should smite me at the end of the season.
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Still not getting the 1000cc vs 800cc as being a weight equalizer. I assume we are discussing power-to-weight ratio which is going to be linear considering a change in bike weight and not rider weight?
The move to 800cc didn't really impact top speeds the indicator of peak horsepower, it impacted torque. Torque is a measure of turning force, think about it as the ability to overcome resistance required to make a motorcycle move. More weight equals more resistance to turning the wheels to make a bike move or and therefore slower acceleration. Increased torque should reduce weight as a factor in acceleration or drive out of corners. The other limiting factor at present to acceleration is grip. I expect for light riders grip is more of a limiter to acceleration than torque while for heavier riders, torque is more of a limiter. When torque levels become high enough, weight becomes less of a limiting factor to acceleration.
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^ HP though is calculated from torque in a linear equation (HP = Torque x RPM ÷ 5252), weight has nothing to do with it. Power-to-weight ratio will remain consistent across riders irrespective of the torque (HP) increase.
At this level, top speed has nothing to do with winning races. As in F1, it is all about the chassis and managing tyre wear.
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^ HP though is calculated from torque in a linear equation (HP = Torque x RPM ÷ 5252), weight has nothing to do with it. Power-to-weight ratio will remain consistent across riders irrespective of the torque (HP) increase.
At this level, top speed has nothing to do with winning races. As in F1, it is all about the chassis and managing tyre wear.
Yes, it is to some degree about chassis and managing tire wear, and within this an issue is how to get rideability, a key piece of which is drive out of turns. Torque has much to do with this, but you have to think of torque not in terms of peak power (ie. at maximum hp), but the torque curve below peak power. So lets say all MotoGP bikes have a 16000 rpm redline and produce 125 ft. lbs of torque at redline to make the math easy (200 hp). Let's say one produces 100 ft.lbs of torque at 14000 rpm and another produces 80 ft. lbs of torque, while peak power is the same below peak power is very different (140 vs 112 hp) at this lower rpm. The increased torque reduces the impact of weight on acceleration. Increased displacement allows more torque to be produced below the limits of peak rpms, making more horsepower available across the entire rpm range. This translates into improvements in rideability and reduction in the impact of weight on performance. All riders get access to the same increased power, but the heavier riders benefit more from it whenever the lighter riders are traction limited and the heavier riders are torque limited in acceleration. Remember gravity impacts all riders equally, but due to being heavier, a heavier rider should be able to generate more traction due to their greater weight. This is exactly the idea behind aerodynamic down force, generate more traction by generating more force (weight).
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It has everything to do with with chassis and tyre management. Yes gravity aids in traction on the corners, but not on the straights - look to F1 and the DRS system. If the lighter riders are to gain an advantage due to the 1000cc displacement, Pedrosa will run away with every race. Do you seriously consider this viable?
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It has everything to do with with chassis and tyre management. Yes gravity aids in traction on the corners, but not on the straights - look to F1 and the DRS system. If the lighter riders are to gain an advantage due to the 1000cc displacement, Pedrosa will run away with every race. Do you seriously consider this viable?
The point is heavier riders benefit more from increased displacement. The extra torque and power, helps them use the extra traction from being heavier to get better drive out of corners.
Put another way, acceleration is limited by power or by traction. When power is in abundance traction becomes the greater limiter. The more power, the more focus on traction gets you benefits.
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The point is heavier riders benefit more from increased displacement. The extra torque and power, helps them use the extra traction from being heavier to get better drive out of corners.
Put another way, acceleration is limited by power or by traction. When power is in abundance traction becomes the greater limiter. The more power, the more focus on traction gets you benefits.
Sorry Ray, I just do not get where you are coming from. Isn't "dialing in the suspension", which is primarily subject to a person's weight, all about maximizing traction regardless of the displacement of the bike.
Now let's talk about traction control...
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How and why a bike can or does go faster is far more complex than what any single answer can provide....
The extra displacement will indeed help out the heavier riders more than the lighter riders. Why you ask.........
I won't answer, I will simply give you an example everyone can readily associate with...
Lets say Rider A has a 250 ninja
he/she is out riding by themself the bike gets up and goes just fine and is more than capable of accelerating at a spirited pace. Now lets say this person puts a passenger on the bike....That same bike does not accelerate so crisply and it certainly doesn't accelerate at a spirited pace...The extra weight on that small amount of horsepower available is catastrophic to its ability to accelerate.
Now take Rider B on their Literbike
You are riding solo...The bike will accelerate so hard it will pull your arms out of there sockets if you aren't ready for it (exaggeration)
Now add a passenger, the bike will still accelerate so hard that it will damn near pull your arms out of your sockets (more exaggeration)
This more weight added to the underpowered bike (ie...800cc) is a catastrophic affect on acceleration, whereas that same added weight to the higher powered bike has a far less devastating affect on its acceleration
These examples are purely for dramatic affect, clearly the power difference between a 250cc street bike vs a 1000cc street bike is far greater than the difference of a 800cc gp bike vs a 1000cc gp bike.
Of course suspensions, tires, tire pressures, rider, bike geometry and a zillion (exaggeration) other factors come into play....But wasn't the discussion just about the power to weight ratio difference???
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The point is heavier riders benefit more from increased displacement. The extra torque and power, helps them use the extra traction from being heavier to get better drive out of corners.
Put another way, acceleration is limited by power or by traction. When power is in abundance traction becomes the greater limiter. The more power, the more focus on traction gets you benefits.
Sorry Ray, I just do not get where you are coming from. Isn't "dialing in the suspension", which is primarily subject to a person's weight, all about maximizing traction regardless of the displacement of the bike.
Now let's talk about traction control...
It is maximizing the traction for a given weight but it can not change the fundamental amount of traction available.
Oversimplifying traction (using the simplest formula for friction/traction)
Frictional force can be expressed as
Ff = ? N
where
Ff = frictional force (N, lb)
? = static (?s) or kinetic (?k) frictional coefficient
N = normal force (N, lb)
Normal force is calculated using F=MA where M=the weight of the rider and bike and A = gravitational acceleration (9.8m/s^2). Since gravitational acceleration is a constant, F goes up as rider weight goes up and frictional force (traction) goes up as weight goes up. Assuming riders are on the same tires and riding the same pavement, then the ? = static (?s) or kinetic (?k) frictional coefficient will be the same for both riders. This means a 15% heavier rider has 15% more traction available for a given situation than a lighter rider, assuming their bikes weigh the same. The is the fundamental optimal traction. It assumes equally well set up suspension on both bikes too.
So why doesn't the heavier riders with 20% more traction go faster than the lighter rider? Because F=MA. Given equal force available from engines the lighter riders will accelerate faster F/M=A. Using the example of a 15% heavier rider the lighter rider will accelerate 13% slower (1-1/1.15). But their is hope for the heavier rider. at the point where the force of acceleration can overcome the available traction, acceleration is essentially stops or tails off to nearly 0. At this point, if there is more force available, the heavier rider can make use of the additional available force to continue to accelerate, whereas the lighter rider has reached the limits of acceleration due to loss of traction and can not make use of the additional force.
Looking at from a different perspective may help. Let's assume that you had an engine which produced an infinite amount of horsepower at any RPM. If you had such an engine you would be capable of running a motorcycle to the limits of traction at an instant and in any situation. In this situation, a heaver riders would be at the least disadvantage to a lighter rider. With infinite force available, their weight would no longer be a handicap (the acceleration penalty from weight can be overcome by having more force available , and they would be able to take advantage of 15% greater traction at any and every instant. The bigger the displacement, the closer and engine can be made to having an infinite amount of horsepower at any RPM.
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STOP DORKING UP MY GP THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
joking...kind of.
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^ so what is your viewpoint?
Tomorrow's race should be interesting, Lorenzo on pole with Stoner putting pressure on him in the first corner - let's see how Lorenzo handles it. IMHO the battle for first is between these two. Spies can get the scraps but he going to have to battle Cruthlow on the non-factory Tech Trios bike - let's see how Spies handles that pressure.
Damn, I love racing season
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Bombshell: Stoner will retire are the end of this season.
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/179806/1/casey_stoner_to_retire_from_motogp.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/179806/1/casey_stoner_to_retire_from_motogp.html)
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Bombshell: Stoner will retire are the end of this season.
[url]http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/179806/1/casey_stoner_to_retire_from_motogp.html[/url] ([url]http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/179806/1/casey_stoner_to_retire_from_motogp.html[/url])
I sure hope so, I don't know what it is about him but I can't stand him.
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Think he got tired of doing interviews wearing a hat that is much too big for him.
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Think he got tired of doing interviews wearing a hat that is much too big for him.
I don't think Repsol or Bridgestone have a child size line...
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Rookie rule is gone. Rumor is that Marquez is already signed as Casey's replacement.
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/181003/1/ezpeleta_explains_motogp_rookie_rule_change_of_heart.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/181003/1/ezpeleta_explains_motogp_rookie_rule_change_of_heart.html)
Rossi as owner/operator?
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Jun/120621c17.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Jun/120621c17.htm)
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do you really think that Filippo Preziosi is the reason that the Duc's have been doing so bad for the last 4-5 years? He has been the technical director since 1999.
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Rossi's tire as he pulled off this weekend...
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Rossi's tire as he pulled off this weekend...
Spies, had the same issue just not as fast a Rossi.
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Moto GP race was decent this weekend. Points battle has been reset. But...How about WSBK?!? Especailly Race 2. Wow!
+Wade
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Race 2 was a blinder. BMW are definitely getting their moneys worth out of Melandri - his pass on the last corner of the last lap was masterful.
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The whole second race was awesome. I thought it was hilarious watching Melandri park people in the hairpin coming off the back straight again and again. Cool seeing Davies reeling the front runners back in too.
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Gotta feel for Sykes - great in qualifying, but his bike quickly falls off the race pace.
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Rossi's tire as he pulled off this weekend...
Stoner burning bridges on his way out. Clearly won't be working for Bridgestone next year... LOL
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Jul/120706z.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Jul/120706z.htm)
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Good reason for not having a one tire race.
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Rossi's tire as he pulled off this weekend...
Stoner burning bridges on his way out. Clearly won't be working for Bridgestone next year... LOL
[url]http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Jul/120706z.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Jul/120706z.htm[/url])
he is an ass, always has been. He can not leave fast enough for me.
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Round 8 at the Sachsenring was a good race, not going to say to much for those that have not watched it yet..
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I just re-re-watched the last 10 mins of Moto GP qualifying from Sachsenring. Incredible, intense, dramatic. Better than the race IMO.
Third Moto GP weekend in a row this weekend, I like it!
AMA too this weekend. Hopefully someone (EBR?) can step up and give Yammy a run?
The BSB races get my attention too...Oulton Park last weekend, the tracks are so bizarre compared to what I'm used to seeing, like bicycle paths through a park, except more elevation changes!
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Rossi's tire as he pulled off this weekend...
Shouldn't have used the retreads. If he really needs to save money, he should try car tires.
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:D
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HA!
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Rossi's tire as he pulled off this weekend...
Shouldn't have used the retreads. If he really needs to save money, he should try car tires.
LOL!!!!
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Rough weekend for Spies. That's the kind of thing I wouldn't be surprised to see on a CRT bike but on a factory Yamaha?
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Rough weekend for Spies. That's the kind of thing I wouldn't be surprised to see on a CRT bike but on a factory Yamaha?
He has had a hard time since coming to the Factory Team, I think that's why he did not get a contract, on the interviews he was saying that he was not disappointing with his time in MotoGP, he also said he had things to think about. Lots of Rumors around him right now.
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http://www.benspies.com/2012/07/31/us-gp-race-report/ (http://www.benspies.com/2012/07/31/us-gp-race-report/)
that would suck.
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Rough weekend for Spies. That's the kind of thing I wouldn't be surprised to see on a CRT bike but on a factory Yamaha?
The bike. Ben is saying this was an equipment failure that caused the crash, not a result of the crash. Scary stuff.
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You can see on the replay that the something broke causing the crash. Coming down through the corkscrew the suspension unloads and then compresses fully, all within a second or two. Surprised there aren't more failures of suspension components.
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Rossi back to Yamaha for 2 years. This could either be an epic way to end his career in GP or confirm him as being past his prime. Will be cool to see another bike at the front.
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YAMAHA? Yamaha can't even build a bike that lasts a whole race! Just kiddin'.
It could be really fun to Rossi dicing with Lorenzo and Pedrosa again. The racing this year has been 98% yawn. WSBK, on the other hand, has been pretty damn exciting. Lots of passing and very unpredictable.
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I would have loved to see Rossi, win a Championship on a Duc, that would have been awesome.
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Rossi's tire as he pulled off this weekend...
Stoner burning bridges on his way out. Clearly won't be working for Bridgestone next year... LOL
[url]http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Jul/120706z.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Jul/120706z.htm[/url])
More from Whiney McCrybaby: the guy just does not know when to keep him mouth shut.
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/182859/1/stoner_rossi_has_done_nothing_but_complain.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/182859/1/stoner_rossi_has_done_nothing_but_complain.html)
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More from Whiney McCrybaby: the guy just does not know when to keep him mouth shut.
[url]http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/182859/1/stoner_rossi_has_done_nothing_but_complain.html[/url] ([url]http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/182859/1/stoner_rossi_has_done_nothing_but_complain.html[/url])
He must have forgot the 3years he did nothing but complain about the bike and the development of it. Stoner always has been a jack ass and always will be.
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You guys forget about how much crap Stoner got when he went to Ducati and had troubles early on and complained about the bike but figured out how to ride it. I like both of these guys, but I'm siding with Stoner. Valentino couldn't figure out how to ride the Ducati, I've had bikes that I didn't care for and didn't like riding. I got rid of those bikes. Granted these guys get paid to figure that out, but at the same time if you don't like something and you're a top rider, its easy for you to go somewhere else. There's a whole lot more going on here than just riding bikes, there's more politics in this sport than you can imagine. Also, the article you posted is an abbreviated version of the full article here: http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2012/August/aug1512-stoner-slams-rossi-yamaha-return/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2012/August/aug1512-stoner-slams-rossi-yamaha-return/)
There's alot of truth in that article about what Rossi and Burgess said they could do when they got to Ducati and what they actually did.
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Will be interesting to see how much tolerance Audi have for Ducati in MotoGP...
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My photos from Indy this year.
http://s1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc403/flyinlow007/2012%20Indy%20Motogp/ (http://s1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc403/flyinlow007/2012%20Indy%20Motogp/)
http://photobucket.com/mstaindy2012 (http://photobucket.com/mstaindy2012)
http://s1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc403/flyinlow007/2012%20Indy%20Motogp/MSTA/Spies%20and%20Hayden/ (http://s1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc403/flyinlow007/2012%20Indy%20Motogp/MSTA/Spies%20and%20Hayden/)