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General Banter / Re: I'm okay - The bike is totaled but my not :-)
« on: May 22, 2012, 10:55:30 AM »
I was amazed what good gear did for me.  The bike went down hard and blow up in to tons of pieces from my dash gadgets to all the plastic dash pieces and more. My armored jacket serious protected my shoulder, The knee armor definitely saved my left knee, Full face helmet was a big factor in saving my face big time.  BTW: pkpk I did find my cell phone under me next to the road road ties and it still works :-)

5-19 Accident Location was Gianoli Rd & Mound Ridge Rd.

No speed limit signs in the area, no visibility of the turn due to hill, no curve head sign with speed posted and the actual turn is more like a "T" not a curve

Here is the link:  http://g.co/maps/ev7ud 

What I Did:  I was giving the rider in front more room and therefore I didn't know which way to turn left or right for an instant, I was not slowing down going up the hill so the down hill accelerated my speed.  I went too heavy on the back brakes because of my 36+ years of dirt trail riding in emergency braking situations. I did let the bike bust through the barbed wire fence before I slide through it in to the cow pasture / pen.

What I Should of Done: I should of been going slower and kept up with the rider in front who was slower than me in the turns so I would of been pacing him better and I would of know which way to turn.  I should of used my front brakes much more then applied rear brakes to help if needed before the turn.  I also could of been wearing my gauntlet style gloves even if it was very warm out to avoid road rash on my wrist (I had summer protective gloves on that saved my knuckles at least )

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General Banter / I'm okay - The bike is totaled but my not :-)
« on: May 21, 2012, 07:43:00 PM »
I'm okay - The bike is totaled but my not :-)

Thanks everyone for your thoughts and prayers - I doing much better now that I'm home recovering and under the care of my lovely, strong, smart, caring, beautiful wife. 

I partially dislocated my left shoulder, got a little road rash on my left wrist, cut the inside of my lip (7 stitches), impact bruises and bleeding on my left knee, one small slice from the fence, a few face bruises and cuts from the impact but no serious head trauma.  The grace of God, My gear and helmet definitely saved my life.

Thanks to the group of rides for coming back to help and to Bruce Genck for helping with picking up pieces of my bike and getting stuff out of the motel room and coming by to visit me in the hospital.  Thanks David McLellan for trying to visit me on your way home and helping out with texting me the route sheet so I could find my bike at the farmers house. 

Our good friends came down to LaCrosse with wife Sheryl to get me out of the hospital on Sunday night and retrieve my bike.  We went back down to get my clothes and things all the way back down to Spring Green, WI - Pictures to follow soon!

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General Banter / Re: My Crash, limited time viewing now
« on: November 09, 2011, 11:20:55 AM »
Very good thoughts and ideas shared on this thread - I like to ride on the straights 2 seconds or so behind the person on the left or right in a stagger.

I like to pace ride so the goal is never to use the brakes unless you need to.  If you know the roads and have others in front of you it's real easy to kick back and down shift to set up corners and to do that I usually like to have a 3 to 5 second gap due to getting into a straight line formation on the outside to set up for the corner.   I love smooth spirited group riding  8)

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General Banter / Re: A Strong Reason to Re-Evaluate Group Riding Safety?
« on: September 30, 2011, 09:42:41 AM »
Man o Man the guy is so focused on the downed bike he clips the other guys handle bars at 6:09.
Riders should be focused on riding not gawking and keeping a distance of 2 seconds or more at speed and 3 or more seconds in twisties would of been a good thing.

What about the dude at 17:38 to 18:00 as the riders ignore the slow down zone before the stop sign and then panic brakes and starts to do a Stoppie - Wow! 

And then the ultimate screw up - You get what you focus on - The guy crossed the center line and saw the police car so instead of focusing on were he wants to go he keeps watching the police car and hits it - Wow -  This is just like the video were the guy low sided on that turn after he sees a hwy. patrol car and panics on an earlier post / video Ray put up.


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General Banter / Toss up between Beartooth Pass, MT & Needles Canyon Hwy, SD
« on: September 28, 2011, 09:33:21 PM »
Toss up between Beartooth Pass, MT & Needles Canyon Hwy, SD

Thanks Ray for the great pictures  ;)




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General Banter / Re: Riding Safely
« on: September 27, 2011, 01:08:54 PM »
I run Amsoil products through out my bike and Road Pilot 2's for good hold in the corners and long lasting tread life about 8,000+ miles per set on my Pure Red ST1100 - I also wear Light Sliver Fieldsheer pants and jacket to be seen and be cool in the hot sun + a White HJC flip up helmet for the same reasons.  I wear Shift Racing Fuel Street boots for comfort - They are like high-tops with support and ankle protection and I can hike or walk in them with no problems.  Okay back to work ;D

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General Banter / Re: Arkansas Report
« on: September 24, 2011, 11:04:02 PM »
Hey Tony,

I know you went down but you are far from out of motorcycling years of fun!

Glad we had a chance to ride one ride together this year and I will be happy to buy you another cone when you are ready to ride again :)

Praying you will heal fast and get pain free even sooner - Let us know what we can do to help.

I love the idea of get him a nice laptop to use at home during his recovery or hang on to for good.

Anyone that has one or wants to coordinate a cash for a computer drive - I would be willing to help get this ball rolling so he could get online next week from home would be huge :)

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General Banter / Re: Sheez Crashed @ Least 3 Times Today
« on: September 24, 2011, 10:12:08 PM »
Can't wait to ride some dirt with you Ray - Finally I will be able to share some tips with you ;) - I will be ready to host some dirt routes next year and host people near Brainerd at the cabin for a weekend in the dirt - Stay Tuned.

Just closed up the cabin this weekend

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General Banter / Re: Conti Road Attack 2
« on: September 24, 2011, 10:05:20 PM »
Hey pipes - Just for your info I ride at ST1100 and I'm on my second set of Mich Road Pilot 2's and love them for sport touring - 2CT tires and I got 8,600 out of Front and Rears which was very cool and that they wear about the same. The fronts had a little bit more on them but only about 800 or so till the wear bars.

Enjoy attacking the curves 8)

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General Banter / Re: .....
« on: September 21, 2011, 11:44:48 AM »
Nice bike Ray - Does this make 7 or 8 bikes in the stable?

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I have rarely felt like I was "babysitting" slow people and well.....big deal if it works out that way.  Some of us are out to enjoy the ride and sometimes there is enjoyment of helping new people learn how to group ride.

I agree with pkpk 100% - We should be willing to just enjoy the ride and know that we are helping new people through the learning process of participating in group rides.  This is the only way to grow the sport.  I have noticed and heard from a reliable source that the ridership is down.  We should be encouraging new people and making them feel welcome. 

Otherwise it comes across as a group of elitist and we are too good or fast or experienced to hang with Newbie's.  I never really felt that way because of my personality and when I came to my 1st ride with the MN-MSTA with pretty good skill's that I'm still refining each group ride.

BTW: pkpk thanks for being a great guy letting me work through my silly ego stuff - I now hang off my ST1100 to keep up on tight curves rather than drag pegs on the ground :)

Also - Thank you Ray916MN for giving me great advise, tips and so much help with tire issues and fuel flow stuff on the 9 day trip to the mountains in July.

I have lead allot of rides in the last 2 years with the Freedom Riders and I get bored sometimes when I want to go faster.  I just wait at the turns and remind them to ride their own pace and enjoy the ride ;)

Lastly - Nice try gdawgs to change the topic - You should probably just start a new thread in the Off Topic area or not read these posts if it upsets you  8)

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Wow - That was fun - I love all the rabbit trail treads we forum folks weave :)

Okay, Well I started this post so I guess after two days of good banter and main different thoughts I have decided the words "System" is too rule like and structured.  So, the new term I will go with is a simple "GUIDE".

My main objective was to help new riders understand pacing of the different people who lead rides with a without a route sheet.

If a newer rider to the group / MN-MSTA wanted to try out a group ride and they didn't have a GPS
and were new with looking at route sheets that they could follow a leader at a pace that they won't feel over their head causing safety concerns when they try to keep up and don't want to feel they might get lost or left behind.

If the are an experienced group rider then this guideline stuff doesn't matter because you already know who they like to ride with and can read a route sheet or take over as a leader at anytime, which is all good and fine.

I just thought instead of listing all the parameters when posting a ride that you intend to lead, you could put what pace you wanted to ride as an individual leader.  If multiple groups were taking off after a pre-ride meeting each volunteer leader could say what pace they were going to ride the route at and then people could better decide if they want to stay in a group pace riding situation and know what to expect.

By all means the leader could change their pace at every fuel stop or after a lunch causing people who care that much to choose to stay in that group move to another or decide to take their route sheet and go at their own pace.

Obviously, I never dreamed this would be a leaders or the MN-MSTA liability to make a pacing statement at the start of a run and if that is a concern then don't use it.

Let's just ride, have fun and be safe.

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Group Riding Speed Rating - Proposed Pace System by Mr. Gadget

First of all I can't wait to read the banter from everyone that the Newbie is even suggesting such a pacing system  ::)  This is only a proposed Pace System all ideas and improvements are welcome. Thanks in advance for looking this system over.

This was created out of being nicely slapped around by certain people that were looking to keep the new guy on the straight and narrow  :-X  New riders want to fit in and knowing this simple type of pacing system will help them hook-up with the right riding groups.  This will also help with safety and prevent riders trying to keep up and ride outside their comfort zone.

I noticed that no one else has been properly describing the speed parameters lately specified in the "Please Read Before Posting A Ride" post for their rides. So, to make things easier I came up with four ratings from P1 to P4 and then everyone knows what pace and kind of ride the leader of the ride does or has planned.

For example: Vince would be at Pace 1 leader  ;D  and Allon might be at Pace 1 in the morning and at Pace 3 after lunch or on the last leg of the day  8)  or say some BMW Sport Touring person wants to lead a Pace 4 ride as a Fall Colors tour  ;)
 
Pace 1 or P1
Populated / Main Roads (Speed limit + up to 30 mph over)
Rural / Back Roads (Speed limit + up to 40 mph over) 
Curves (Posted speeds x 2 + another up to 10 mph ?
Stops for fuel and breaks for up to 15 minutes every 100 to 140 miles or up to 2.0 hours in the saddle

Pace 2 or P2
Populated / Main Roads (Speed limit + up to 20 mph over)
Rural / Back Roads (Speed limit + up to 30 mph over) 
Curves (Posted speeds x 2)
Stops for fuel and breaks for up to 20 minutes every 90 to 120 miles or up to 1.5 hours in the saddle

Pace 3 or P3
Populated / Main Roads (Speed limit + up to 10 mph over)
Rural / Back Roads (Speed limit + up to 20 mph over) 
Curves (Posted speeds x 1.5 to x 2)
Stops for fuel and breaks for up to 20 minutes every 80 to 100 miles or up to 1.25 hours in the saddle
+ Quick stops at points of interest (photos and a quick drink)

Pace 4 or P4
Populated / Main Roads (Speed limit + up to 5 mph over)
Rural / Back Roads (Speed limit + up to 15 mph over) 
Curves (Posted speeds up to x 1.5)
Stops for fuel and breaks for up to 30 minutes every 80 to 100 miles or up to 1.25 hours in the saddle
+ Stops at points of interest (Photos, Walk around, Snack and a drink up to 30 minutes)

MPH is based on GPS speed not speedometer which normally shows higher speed than actual speed. (Most bikes speedometers read 3-10% above the actual speed and vary in this range based on your speed. Slower speeds like 30 MPH might be right on and then as you speed up the percentage off takes over)

Stop time for Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner vary and usually include fueling up.


On bigger rides like TWISTAR people can go with the leader based on their Pace number.  I know on my 1st group ride last year with the MN-MSTA at the Tri-State Boogie I wasn't sure what group to go with and since I have a ST1100 someone suggested I go with a slow group.  I opted to go with Allon's group that morning and he was burning it up at P1 pace way too fast for the new guy.  So, then I got with another group at one of the fuel stops and they were just right at P2 to P3 pace.

I hope this will help ride leaders and new or newer riders to decide which rides to go on and / or what group of riders to go out with at a big group event.

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Introductions / Welcome Chris!
« on: September 13, 2011, 01:41:48 PM »
Hope to see you on a ride soon!  Take care of that family 1st and ride any other time you can :-)

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General Banter / Re: Utah crash - bystanders lift burning car off biker
« on: September 13, 2011, 01:28:28 PM »
Check out the fat dude in the business suit not doing a thing the whole time - Wow!

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