Quote from: Ultra_Magnus on November 08, 2011, 08:38:11 PM

Quote from: pkpk on November 08, 2011, 07:57:35 PM

It took me several viewings to finally figure out what happened.  I think video rider sensed the rider behind was almost hitting him and got spooked.  I also wonder why he performed that last shift and just didn't stay on the throttle.

Not sure why i did that to be honest. I think maybe i was torn between braking hard but at the last moment i decided to just take the turn wide.  I took on the tar snake because the oncoming lane was
 full of gravel.

But you are right, when i was starting to look into the turn i saw the rider right next to me in my peripheral, so my planned line was out of the question. Im pretty confident that if i woulda took my planned line he would have smacked into me.

This probably contributed to my crash too. I remeber being super pissed when i was pulling out of that corner and my mind wasnt right for the rest of the ride.

well, nothing said you had to continue the ride. you or anyone else is free to pull out if its not going well for you. just let someone else know. or drop to the back and rethink things. i seperated from some people one morning because my comfort level wasnt where i would have liked it, mind elsewhere or speed or something. got back together with them at lunch and had a great afternoon. if i hadnt got back with them , i still had the route, and the sunshine, some tunes, and a smile riding my bike. 
hope this makes sense,

Why did the article say the damage was to the back of the other vehicle and the rider had the right of way at a stop sign?  Are they saying the bike rear ended a vehicle at a stop sign?   Confused and sad that any family has to go through that.

Quote from: gely on November 07, 2011, 10:34:51 PM

Quote from: RCKT GRL on November 07, 2011, 04:29:25 PM

Quote from: gely on November 07, 2011, 03:56:10 PM

It's not some cheap Ebay brake light. It's a stock.
Just because I took today off from work, I made a quick video clip of my light here.

http://youtu.be/J6qUTy9huQw?hd=1

so, it always flashes like that when you're not "on" the brake? 

That is distracting and would be annoying IMHO to ride behind.  I would want it to be just either "on" or "off". 

To the human eyes, the LEDs are solid.

must be a BMW thing or the camera, my R1 LED tail light does not show up like that on the GoPro Hero. 

  Also, before we got to this point, you almost crash once already.

Quote from: Ultra_Magnus on November 02, 2011, 11:03:27 AM

A definate "Hell Yea".

1. Better following distance
2. Get better braking skills
3. Don't ride a bike setup for a 150lb rider that hard

Off the top of my head.

Fantastic list!  Write 'em down for a reminder for the first spring ride.  Its amazing what we all forget over the long MN winter.  I put painter tape on my tank with notes for the spring (like "fresh tires").

Quote from: Chris on November 02, 2011, 10:58:14 AM

on a lean and slowing down hard which he was doing I hitting anything on the front would cause it wash out. By watching the video you can see the bike go down right as the front tire hits it.

Unfortunately, the cup wasn't the first precipitiating event, just the final straw in the chain of events.
following too close
braking hard
loosing line
hit cup

Quote from: zaskar on November 02, 2011, 09:49:37 AM

You should definately consider some further rider training.  To me it doesn't matter how long you've been riding or how many miles each season.  If all that time and miles were spent without the purpose of improving your skills (and I don't just mean "going faster") then they are worthless.  There are plenty of riders out there who've been riding for 30 years and have tens of thousands of miles, and they still suck at riding.  You don't get better just because you are out riding.

This crash should have never happened, I can't find a single reason you crashed other than lack of skills and judgement.  I wished we had footage from behind you to further examine what happened.  Video distorts things sometimes but your speed seemed low for this corner and to me it seemed like there was plenty of room to manage your speed/following distance/ and still make the corner.

This all sounds pretty harsh I'm sure but my intent is just to help you focus on the problem and avoid this from happening in the future.  Seeing these types of accidents is frustrating because they are so easily avoidable.  Honestly, if you couldn't negotiate this situation what will you do when a deer jumps out, or a car pulls out in front of you.  I don't see anything wrong with what the rider in front of you was doing, he was riding his own ride!

I'm glad you have healed and this wasn't worse.  Hope you get back to riding and become a better rider as a result of this experience.

agreed. IMO 100% operator error.

Sorry, but you posted this and asked for opinions.